Armani Moore working with 1st team today at practice in place

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Freak said:
You agreed it would have been an idiotic move, right?
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I never used the word idiotic.

I did say I don't get the move, IF the move was indeed being made. If you read through the thread I question the validity of this at least a handful of times though, and say that I don't think this move was being made.

Many were assuming this move was indeed being made, had been made, and that Martin had sent josh to the bench. People were jumping the gun it seemed just for a chance to whine about something that yet hadn't even been confirmed.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I never used the word idiotic.

I did say I don't get the move, IF the move was indeed being made. If you read through the thread I question the validity of this at least a handful of times though, and say that I don't think this move was being made.

Many were assuming this move was indeed being made, had been made, and that Martin had sent josh to the bench. People were jumping the gun it seemed just for a chance to whine about something that yet hadn't even been confirmed.
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It was a fair discussion since he was practicing with the first team. I was just curious why you were calling out people for thinking it was idiotic when you didn't think it was a good idea either. :dunno:

Has Moore even played tonight?
 
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Freak said:
It was a fair discussion since he was practicing with the first team. I was just curious why you were calling out people for thinking it was idiotic when you didn't think it was a good idea either. :dunno:

Has Moore even played tonight?
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No, not a minute.

That was all my point was. There was no link, no verified report, no confirmed announcement Moore was taking Josh's minutes.

Yet look at the discussion that ensued. It seemed like everyone wanted to just automatically assume that's what was happening and it wasn't.
 
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3 halfcourt sets in a row and 3 turnovers. We had 64 points with @ 12 minutes left, reverted to a passive halfcourt game with turnovers nowhwere near the basket, while CM has yelled "motion!" The whole time. Those 4 minutes are why people question that he can make changes and not revert. You don't start halfcourting it with 12 minutes left. You bury them.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
No, not a minute.

That was all my point was. There was no link, no verified report, no confirmed announcement Moore was taking Josh's minutes.

Yet look at the discussion that ensued. It seemed like everyone wanted to just automatically assume that's what was happening and it wasn't.
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It's just speculation. It certainly seemed more likely that Moore could start than Reece coming out of nowhere to drop 10 points and six rebounds (so far).

If he was practicing with the first team,even you agreed he was probably getting increased minutes. Now he's nowhere to be found. It's odd, in my opinion.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
No, not a minute.

That was all my point was. There was no link, no verified report, no confirmed announcement Moore was taking Josh's minutes.

Yet look at the discussion that ensued. It seemed like everyone wanted to just automatically assume that's what was happening and it wasn't.
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Everyone is a bit of a reach. Matter of fact you were in the "what is going on boat" like most of us. When a guy mentioned what he saw on another site, then you went full blown people are stupid.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Everyone is a bit of a reach. Matter of fact you were in the "what is going on boat" like most of us. When a guy mentioned what he saw on another site, then you went full blown people are stupid.
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Because the discussion had turned immediately to omg Armani is starting over josh.

That wasn't what was said, in fact what went on with Armani was no different than what goes on every week with multiple guys.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
3 halfcourt sets in a row and 3 turnovers. We had 64 points with @ 12 minutes left, reverted to a passive halfcourt game with turnovers nowhwere near the basket, while CM has yelled "motion!" The whole time. Those 4 minutes are why people question that he can make changes and not revert. You don't start halfcourting it with 12 minutes left. You bury them.
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So in your opinion it's a complete coincidence that we are 4th in the nation is turnovers per game with 9. Yet tonight we clearly play more uptempo and almost double that number, you believe that's a coincidence and the increase in turnovers has nothing to do in playing faster?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Because the discussion had turned immediately to omg Armani is starting over josh.

That wasn't what was said, in fact what went on with Armani was no different than what goes on every week with multiple guys.
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Fair enough, people did overly freak out. But it is VolNation.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So in your opinion it's a complete coincidence that we are 4th in the nation is turnovers per game with 9. Yet tonight we clearly play more uptempo and almost double that number, you believe that's a coincidence and the increase in turnovers has nothing to do in playing faster?
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Did you watch the freaking game? Over half of our turnovers came in lazy halfcourt sets. At the same time, we had fewer turnovers pushing the pace and scored 80 pts.

Another statboy looking at a stat sheet and assuming the wrong thing happened by looking at the stat.
Who cares if you are low on turnovers but can't score and are losing games anyway. Really give me a freaking break.
 
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I'm with Sparty.

The turnovers were just lazy basketball in the last five minutes.

They controlled the pace today. I think it surprised Morehead State. It reminded me of the Arkansas game in Cuonzo's first year where we ran Arkansas and Mike Anderson out of the building.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Did you watch the freaking game? Over half of our turnovers came in lazy halfcourt sets. At the same time, we had fewer turnovers pushing the pace and scored 80 pts.

Another statboy looking at a stat sheet and assuming the wrong thing happened by looking at the stat.
Who cares if you are low on turnovers but can't score and are losing games anyway. Really give me a freaking break.
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Sparty I'm not taking shots or trying to argue, it was an honest question.

Was it honestly a coincidence? Do you think the late turnovers were a direct result of half court offense? Or is it possible guys were tired from playing uptempo? Or is it possible guys were already starting their Christmas break?

It was an honest question. We got sloppy, in what was clearly the game we played fastest in. I'm asking if that's a coincidence or not, not trying to argue with ya.
 
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zjcvols said:
I'm with Sparty.

The turnovers were just lazy basketball in the last five minutes.

They controlled the pace today. I think it surprised Morehead State. It reminded me of the Arkansas game in Cuonzo's first year where we ran Arkansas and Mike Anderson out of the building.
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Thought the very same thing, I was at that game, Mike Anderson looked quite confused. Nice coaching move from Zo.
 
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zjcvols said:
I'm with Sparty.

The turnovers were just lazy basketball in the last five minutes.

They controlled the pace today. I think it surprised Morehead State. It reminded me of the Arkansas game in Cuonzo's first year where we ran Arkansas and Mike Anderson out of the building.
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They played the way this team is built, should play and is capable of playing the first 30+ minutes. Then they went into passive halfcourt mode, which haunts this team, for too long in the 2nd half and a run of turnovers ensued. Had zero to do with pushing the ball and attacking the rim.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
They played the way this team is built, should play and is capable of playing the first 30+ minutes. Then they went into passive halfcourt mode, which haunts this team, for too long in the 2nd half and a run of turnovers ensued. Had zero to do with pushing the ball and attacking the rim.
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Once again just asking, honestly....

So the 15 turnovers was just a result of bad half court offense? Even though typically the bad half court offense averaged 9 turnovers.

I mean 2 or 3 it seemed were just unforced brain lapse errors, which is why I mentioned the Christmas break possibility.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Once again just asking, honestly....

So the 15 turnovers was just a result of bad half court offense? Even though typically the bad half court offense averaged 9 turnovers.

I mean 2 or 3 it seemed were just unforced brain lapse errors, which is why I mentioned the Christmas break possibility.
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If I had to guess, I would guess 6-7 were from running the court and being aggressive early at the rim included, and 8-9 were from slowing it down and trying to figure out what to do in halfcourt, or not attacking. There is a big difference in those types of turnovers. Lack of turnovers often means you don't attack anyway. Our assist numbers were up tonight too, and it was due to how we played. Attacking got us early buckets, got players in rhythm, got them in foul trouble, ran their big guys, got us some rhythm 3's and allowed us to not screw up spacing as often. Turnovers while running tonight were a nonissue, imo.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
If I had to guess, I would guess 6-7 were from running the court and being aggressive early at the rim included, and 8-9 were from slowing it down and trying to figure out what to do in halfcourt, or not attacking. There is a big difference in those types of turnovers. Lack of turnovers often means you don't attack anyway. Our assist numbers were up tonight too, and it was due to how we played. Attacking got us early buckets, got players in rhythm, got them in foul trouble, ran their big guys, got us some rhythm 3's and allowed us to not screw up spacing as often. Turnovers while running tonight were a nonissue, imo.
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I agree, we may turn it over more, but if we are getting that many assists it's better than fewer turnovers and fewer assists.

Tonight it was 20 assists and 15 turnovers
Our season average is around 10 and 10

So our assist to turnover was better tonight than it has been even though we looked so sloppy.
 
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Bottom line is this team is horrid in the half court set. I think what we run is motionless offense. I want to bang my head against the wall when I see us do that. We are much more effective in an uptempo type game.
 
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movement without the bball = more assists

Their were 3 or 4 really nice backcuts when JRich's man was overplaying him. I think Maymon had a couple also.
 
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