as a Centrist.. who should I be supporting?

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VolsNSkinsFan said:
What difference does it make?
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Because the debate is not whether abortion is a good or a bad thing. No one runs around saying, hey, let's have more!!!

The debate is between whether the values associated with maintaining a pregnancy to birth -- and there are a lot of those -- can be trumped by a woman's decision not to carry to term. And there are values implicit in that.

Secondarily, there is a debate at to what role, if any, the government should play in the issue. And that carries with it another set of values to be discussed. In fact, quite a range of them.

But calling someone "pro-abortion" is inaccurate and in my view often intentionally done to make the debate one sided, as though it is simply obvious that the anti-abortion position is indisputably correct.

It is more complicated than that. Much more complicated. Labeling the other side as "pro-abortion" is not just insulting and wrong, it is the epitome of anti-intellectual because it tries to reframe these issues in such a manner as to categorically eliminate all of the legitimate questions and arguments the other side makes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
For the upteenth billion time, no one is FOR abortion. The far right really does the debate on this subject a huge disservice when it labels people as "pro-abortion."
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I think you are being a little naive. I have a good friend who is a lefty, and he's argued that Planned Parenthood is dropping the ball by not pulling in more abortions. His point is that it's more humane to abort a baby that is going to be born into poverty.
I'll give you that most libs are more pro-choice than pro-abortion, but there are a bunch of those folks out there, too.
For the record, I'm pro-life and anti capital punishment.
 
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A) I never used the words "Pro-Abortion", you did and B) Your 5 paragraphs don't change my view that you are either for it or against it.
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F,f,f,I agreed with lawgator on something .

Speaking of abortion ,I'm pro abortion if your home income isn't 200,000 you can't afford private school and college for upcoming child mandatory abortion .
 
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theFallGuy said:
A centrist is another word for someone who doesn't like to take sides on anything. They have no balls.
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Not true at all. Dumb post

A centrist could be one that is liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal and military issues. A person who is pro-choice, but anti-union. That's taking sides.

a person without balls is someone that takes the same side on EVERY issue. My guess is you might not have any balls
 
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Billy Costigan said:
Hey guys, I am a very hardcore Centrist. I took an online test to find out about my political beliefs. The last presidential election was the first time I got to legally vote and I voted for the McCain/Palin ticket but only mainly because my mama hates Barrack Obama so bad. Since then I have discovered I'm a Centrist but I haven't been able to keep up with debates and stuff as much this year as I'd like so I was wondering which person do you think I should be supporting based on my Centrist beliefs?
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I will answer your question with a question....are you sure you are a centrist? "Moderate" and "centrist" are silly words in my opinion. Both parties are big government parties with different agendas. If you are in the "center" it just means you are a big government person who can't decide which party he likes.

So if you truly are a "centrist" (between no government and authoritarianism) you'd be somewhere in between Ron Paul and Barack Obama (maybe Paul Ryan would be your kind of guy). That's only my opinion. Others find meaning in the conventional usage of centrist, but to me there's no difference worth noting between Bush and Obama
 
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maybe Billy C saw the error of his ways last time, and is now seeking the wise advice of VN.
 
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lawgator1 said:
For the upteenth billion time, no one is FOR abortion. The far right really does the debate on this subject a huge disservice when it labels people as "pro-abortion."
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They're not pro-choice, though. That's too broad to capture most of the movement. They don't support a woman's right to choose when it comes to the right to bear arms, so IMO, "pro-choice" is a more inaccurate label than "pro-abortion".
 
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nbakerld said:
I will answer your question with a question....are you sure you are a centrist? "Moderate" and "centrist" are silly words in my opinion. Both parties are big government parties with different agendas. If you are in the "center" it just means you are a big government person who can't decide which party he likes.

So if you truly are a "centrist" (between no government and authoritarianism) you'd be somewhere in between Ron Paul and Barack Obama (maybe Paul Ryan would be your kind of guy). That's only my opinion. Others find meaning in the conventional usage of centrist, but to me there's no difference worth noting between Bush and Obama
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other than the fact that we've actually seen Bush's Harvard transcripts...
 
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MG1968 said:
other than the fact that we've actually seen Bush's Harvard transcripts...
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It couldn't be as hilarious as Perry's transcript. It is my understanding that Harvard does not award less than a C without the professor filling out paperwork to justify the grade. Apparently nobody fails unless they make no effort to come to class and do assignments.
 
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lawgator1 said:
For the upteenth billion time, no one is FOR abortion. The far right really does the debate on this subject a huge disservice when it labels people as "pro-abortion."
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How is being for legal abortion not being pro-abortion? Sounds like you are just trying to hide behind semantics.

If it was really about pro-choice then Planned Parenthood would be promoting adoption options equally with abortion.
 
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the simple fact that some of you are surprised by the OP surprises me. Did you doubt the existence of a base?
 
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Really, the abortion debate today isn't even relevant. Fix the federal budget, tax code, and education system first. IMO, the abortion topic should be left to the states.

Whether a candidate is pro-choice or pro-life, it will have zero impact on my vote for him/her.
 
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nbakerld said:
It'd still be more accurate than calling them pro-choice. Libertarians are pro-choice. Republicans and Democrats? Not so much.
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Just a crazy, ill informed position. There are literally millions of Democrats and Republicans who are pro-choice, much more so than those that are pro-abortion.

It's amazing how INaccurate your opinions are on the subject
 
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2ironVol said:
Just a crazy, ill informed position. There are literally millions of Democrats and Republicans who are pro-choice, much more so than those that are pro-abortion.

It's amazing how INaccurate your opinions are on the subject
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Try to keep up with the conversation. It's not that hard. Maybe go back a page and read a few posts.

I'm talking about individuals being pro-choice across the board, not just when it comes to abortion.

Ron Paul isn't pro-heroin. He's pro-choice. He's pro-choice when it comes to prostitution, when it comes to drug use, guns, etc.

Democrats are usually not pro-choice when it comes to certain issues like guns, and markets. For them to claim "pro-choice" without saying, "but only when it comes to abortion" it is misleading.

Republicans are usually not pro-choice when it comes to moral issues.
 
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nbakerld said:
Try to keep up with the conversation. It's not that hard. Maybe go back a page and read a few posts.

I'm talking about individuals being pro-choice across the board, not just when it comes to abortion.

Ron Paul isn't pro-heroin. He's pro-choice. He's pro-choice when it comes to prostitution, when it comes to drug use, guns, etc.

Democrats are usually not pro-choice when it comes to certain issues like guns, and markets. For them to claim "pro-choice" without saying, "but only when it comes to abortion" it is misleading.

Republicans are usually not pro-choice when it comes to moral issues.
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Republicans are pro-freedom, except not.
 
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nbakerld said:
Try to keep up with the conversation. It's not that hard. Maybe go back a page and read a few posts.

I'm talking about individuals being pro-choice across the board, not just when it comes to abortion.

Ron Paul isn't pro-heroin. He's pro-choice. He's pro-choice when it comes to prostitution, when it comes to drug use, guns, etc.

Democrats are usually not pro-choice when it comes to certain issues like guns, and markets. For them to claim "pro-choice" without saying, "but only when it comes to abortion" it is misleading.

Republicans are usually not pro-choice when it comes to moral issues.
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Ah...excuse me. I disagree with your broad brush stroke concerning Democrats though.
 
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Yeah I am sure I am a Centrist. I wasn't sure what I was so I took an online test to find out and it turns out that I'm a centrist. I was kind of wanting to be a republican but I'm happy being a centrist so far.
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billy costigan said:
yeah i am sure i am a centrist. I wasn't sure what i was so i took an online test to find out and it turns out that i'm a centrist. I was kind of wanting to be a republican but i'm happy being a centrist so far.
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LOL

Nice job, Billy.
 
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Billy Costigan said:
Yeah I am sure I am a Centrist. I wasn't sure what I was so I took an online test to find out and it turns out that I'm a centrist. I was kind of wanting to be a republican but I'm happy being a centrist so far.
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I honestly have no idea what that means, but I do know that it has nothing to do with political parties. You seem to be talking about political ideology, but I could have been thrown off by the silliness about voting with your mom.
 
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This is all a very perplexing approach to politics to say the least. You are one of a kind, Billy. God love ya.

You treat it as if you are straddling the line between hetero and homo (bike-curious).
 
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