Ashli Babbitt’s Killer is a blm Militant

[hog88]

Yeah. She was in a group that was trying to break down a door and she was the first to try and jump through the barricaded door.

I didn't realize there were police standing right there beside her when she was shot. That makes the shooting even more questionable.

 

[bamawriter]

The killing was questionable and should be reviewed by a grand jury. The officers life was not in danger when he pulled the trigger and no weapon was visible.

I wouldn't have a problem with taking it to the grand jury. I generally think that's more unassailable than keeping the decision within the DA's office.

But, based on the publicly available evidence, there's no way that I'd move for an indictment if I were on the panel.

 

[bamawriter]

She was actively crawling through a broken window in a door to get into a locked room in the Capitol. I take that as actively rioting. I can't find it anymore, but shortly after the riots, I posted a link to an interview with a Congressman who said he was in the room, there were other Congressmen in the room, and the other exits had rioters at the doors as well.

Was the cop justified? I don't know because I don't know what was on the other side of that door and I dont know what happened prior to the brief video we've seen. Take it for what its worth.

The link I just posted has comments from Rep. Mullin that go over the situation in the Speaker's Lobby.

 

[hog88]

I wouldn't have a problem with taking it to the grand jury. I generally think that's more unassailable than keeping the decision within the DA's office.

But, based on the publicly available evidence, there's no way that I'd move for an indictment if I were on the panel.

I just watched the video septic posted, I didn't know police were standing right there beside her when she was shot. That makes the shooting even more questionable and IMO this absolutely needs to go to a GJ. If the cops mingled in with the rioters didn't feel their life was in danger how can the shooter claim his was?

 

[Septic]

I’m thinking of starting another new thread on the Black on White hate crime epidemic so all these events can be consolidated into one thread. What do you think?

I'm sure your thread over on stormfront.com is sufficient, no need to start another.

 

[Sandman 423]

I just watched the video septic posted, I didn't know police were standing right there beside her when she was shot. That makes the shooting even more questionable and IMO this absolutely needs to go to a GJ. If the cops mingled in with the rioters didn't feel their life was in danger how can the shooter claim his was?

At the very least he doesn't need to be a police officer. His instincts sucked when he was put into a position he had to use them.

 

[MG1968]

I'm sure your thread over on stormfront.com is sufficient, no need to start another.

Why would he need a thread there? Black on white crime isn’t a racist conspiracy.

 

[bamawriter]

I just watched the video septic posted, I didn't know police were standing right there beside her when she was shot. That makes the shooting even more questionable and IMO this absolutely needs to go to a GJ. If the cops mingled in with the rioters didn't feel their life was in danger how can the shooter claim his was?

That's begging a question that ultimately isn't relevant. The shooter didn't need to feel that his own life was in immediate danger. He was tasked, officially, with protecting the people in that hallway. He was faced with a violent mob that had responded to a barricaded door by smashing thru a window and attempting to climb thru. He was not obligated to wait until they actually laid a hand on someone.

The real difficulty I have with the videos is that it's impossible to tell if he warned the mob that he was going to shoot. The mics are useless in the thick of the crowd, and he was masked so there's no way to even tell if his mouth was moving. However, several of the rioters noticed the gun, so it's not like he just came out of nowhere.

 

[bamawriter]

At the very least he doesn't need to be a police officer. His instincts sucked when he was put into a position he had to use them.

I'm inclined to agree. At most, shoot to deter. Given their reactions, I'm betting the mob would have backed off if she'd been shot in the leg rather than the head.

 

[hog88]

That's begging a question that ultimately isn't relevant. The shooter didn't need to feel that his own life was in immediate danger. He was tasked, officially, with protecting the people in that hallway. He was faced with a violent mob that had responded to a barricaded door by smashing thru a window and attempting to climb thru. He was not obligated to wait until they actually laid a hand on someone.

The real difficulty I have with the videos is that it's impossible to tell if he warned the mob that he was going to shoot. The mics are useless in the thick of the crowd, and he was masked so there's no way to even tell if his mouth was moving. However, several of the rioters noticed the gun, so it's not like he just came out of nowhere.

Were the cops standing right there with the mob not tasked with the same mission? If they didn't feel the need to fire I can't see how the shooter did. Hell, one of the cops raised his weapon and was getting ready to return fire into the building.

As I said, this needs to go to a GJ.

 

[hog88]

I'm inclined to agree. At most, shoot to deter. Given their reactions, I'm betting the mob would have backed off if she'd been shot in the leg rather than the head.

You don't shoot to wound, that is idiotic.

 

[Grand Vol]

My feathers? You're the one bellyaching about me not being an a-hole, try to keep up.

She was clearly going through the window - that's advancement.

Trouble with reality today?

It's not your feathers, it's certainly Jimmies.

 

[bamawriter]

Were the cops standing right there with the mob not tasked with the same mission? If they didn't feel the need to fire I can't see how the shooter did. Hell, one of the cops raised his weapon and was getting ready to return fire into the building.

As I said, this needs to go to a GJ.

It doesn't matter what the other cops thought. Whatever they thought, they'd done a poor job of containing the situation. The shooter's action kept the rioters out of the Speaker's Lobby, a point at which the other cops had failed.

 

[hog88]

It doesn't matter what the other cops thought. Whatever they thought, they'd done a poor job of containing the situation. The shooter's action kept the rioters out of the Speaker's Lobby, a point at which the other cops had failed.

Ok. It needs to go to a GJ, if they don't indict fine but less questionable killings have been reviewed

 

[bamawriter]

You don't shoot to wound, that is idiotic.

I disagree, only in the sense that I'd rather someone be left alive. I'm not speaking of proper firearms training, which I haven't had and hopefully will never need to have.

 

[LouderVol]

uhhh except the kid in Kenosha was a wannabe cop, not a real one. And this a violent attempt at overtaking the United States Capitol.

just a couple minor differences

I asked in the post you quoted, was she actively taking part in the violence? Because all summer long we heard that 90% of the protestors were peaceful, and thus had valid reason to be there. While it was only the 10% doing damage that fell into the rioter category, and even then it was wrong to use lethal force.

So again was she part of the 90% that were peaceful or 10% that were violent?

If she is was in the 10 I will say the shooting was probably justified. But if she wasnt violent it's a bad shoot.

Funny to see anti gunners ruling a shooting of someone they oppose a good shoot without knowing the specifics.

 

[bamawriter]

Ok. It needs to go to a GJ, if they don't indict fine but less questionable killings have been reviewed

We're in agreement there.

 

[hog88]

I disagree, only in the sense that I'd rather someone be left alive. I'm not speaking of proper firearms training, which I haven't had and hopefully will never need to have.

The only time you pull the trigger is when you are ready to kill. Trying to hit a leg would probably lead to hitting someone else.

 

[bamawriter]

I asked in the post you quoted, was she actively taking part in the violence? Because all summer long we heard that 90% of the protestors were peaceful, and thus had valid reason to be there. While it was only the 10% doing damage that fell into the rioter category, and even then it was wrong to use lethal force.

So again was she part of the 90% that were peaceful or 10% that were violent?

Is this a serious question? You're referring to Babbitt, right? She was crawling thru a window that had just be smashed out to get around a barricaded door.

 

[Tastylicks]

I asked in the post you quoted, was she actively taking part in the violence? Because all summer long we heard that 90% of the protestors were peaceful, and thus had valid reason to be there. While it was only the 10% doing damage that fell into the rioter category, and even then it was wrong to use lethal force.

So again was she part of the 90% that were peaceful or 10% that were violent?

If she is was in the 10 I will say the shooting was probably justified. But if she wasnt violent it's a bad shoot.

Funny to see anti gunners ruling a shooting of someone they oppose a good shoot without knowing the specifics.

yes she was actively taking part in the violence. question answered. easiest question i've gotten in awhile

 

[davethevol]

I asked in the post you quoted, was she actively taking part in the violence? Because all summer long we heard that 90% of the protestors were peaceful, and thus had valid reason to be there. While it was only the 10% doing damage that fell into the rioter category, and even then it was wrong to use lethal force.

So again was she part of the 90% that were peaceful or 10% that were violent?

If she is was in the 10 I will say the shooting was probably justified. But if she wasnt violent it's a bad shoot.

Funny to see anti gunners ruling a shooting of someone they oppose a good shoot without knowing the specifics.

I’d say that she could be considered as participating in violence for climbing through the broken window and attempting to advance. I’m not sure the shooter is guilty, but at the same time I agree with Hog that it needs to go to trial so all the facts can come out.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It was.

38 year veteran of being able to avoid being shot while trespassing at the head of a violent mob here.

It wasn’t. The level of force in response didn’t fit the situation.

57 year veteran of being able to avoid being shot while trespassing at the head of a violent mob here

 

[C-south]

I disagree, only in the sense that I'd rather someone be left alive. I'm not speaking of proper firearms training, which I haven't had and hopefully will never need to have.

Until you go to civil court and get screwed by an activist judge.

 

[davethevol]

Until you go to civil court and get screwed by an activist judge.

Yep. If you shoot, you shoot to kill.

 

[hog88]

I’d say that she could be considered as participating in violence for climbing through the broken window and attempting to advance. I’m not sure the shooter is guilty, but at the same time I agree with Hog that it needs to go to trial so all the facts can come out.

I'm not advocating the shooting be charged just yet, just that it goes to a grand jury. If they decide to indict then fine, trial by jury.