At least Our Spring game wasn't

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99gator said:
this is my thought as well.

i had a georgia fan tell me the florida game wasn't psychological until the 2002 and 2003 seasons, when georgia clearly had the better team and lost to those ron zook coached teams. then, it became mental.

of course, that advantage is gone now. thanks, will.

another example is when ohio state kept losing to michigan under john cooper in the 90's. a lot of those ohio state teams were LOADED, but when they saw those helmets.....bad things, man. bad things.
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I do see on here, and hear Vol fans talk about how we've lost to UF "even when we were better" and act like it's happened so many times since the yearly series started.

Honestly the only years I think it's debatable are MAYBE 1997 (Manning's senior year), 1999, and 2002. But really I think all 3 of those teams were about even so I still don't think UT clearly had the better team. Especially 2002 since both teams had down years.....well what we both used to consider down years.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I do see on here, and hear Vol fans talk about how we've lost to UF "even when we were better" and act like it's happened so many times since the yearly series started.

Honestly the only years I think it's debatable are MAYBE 1997 (Manning's senior year), 1999, and 2002. But really I think all 3 of those teams were about even so I still don't think UT clearly had the better team. Especially 2002 since both teams had down years.....well what we both used to consider down years.
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I thought we were pretty even going into the 2005 game.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
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Don't laugh to hard at last check they have beat our azz what 7 or 8 lost track.:ermm:
 
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I think 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013 are all fine examples of futility. Florida was either slightly or not better than us (arguably worse in 2013) and we STILL couldn't beat them or even get to single digits.

So yes, it's psychological at this point. Florida hasn't been all that great starting with Meyer's last season. It hasn't helped that we suck legions of arse, but Florida isn't exactly special these days.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It's much easier to point and laugh at that kid in school who got beat up by the class bully, even if that same kid beat the crap out of you repeatedly for nine years.
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You gotta admit it tho.

When your own guys lock horns and don't turn loose it's pretty funny. Even if you suck yourself and lost to that bunch.

That was one of the ugliest played football games since the forward pass..
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I think 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013 are all fine examples of futility. Florida was either slightly or not better than us (arguably worse in 2013) and we STILL couldn't beat them or even get to single digits.

So yes, it's psychological at this point. Florida hasn't been all that great starting with Meyer's last season. It hasn't helped that we suck legions of arse, but Florida isn't exactly special these days.
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florida was better in 2010, 2011, and most definitely in 2012.
 
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bamawriter said:
There's some truth to that.

But I think you can only argue a psychological disadvantage when your team is clearly better than their rival, but they still find a way to lose. I'm not sure that can be said for Tennessee during the streaks they're currently enduring. How many times in recent years can UT say they were clearly better than Bama, UF, UGA, etc?
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To add to that. The personality of the teams change with new coaches and new players. When your bad or underachieving roster turnover is good IMO.

From the movie "The Natural"
"Losing is a disease"
Sometimes the slate needs to be completely cleared before success is consistent.

Having better players helps to.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I disagree.
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2010 was Matt Simms year. He was the starting QB against Florida. Florida was a better team but not by much.

2011 we were steamrolling people until Hunter went down. He was our best playmaker at the time. He and Bray had connected for at least 2 TD's in the past 6 or so games (something like that) and we lost by 10. I would say those 2 teams were pretty even if both were healthy. We lost Bray not long after and our season was done.

2012 we had a better offense, but Florida had a MUCH better defense. This difference between us and them put them in a category with about 90% of all other college football teams.
 
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99gator said:
i see i am going to have to repost this.


since fulmer was let go, tennessee is 4-26 in sec games against opponents not named kentucky or vanderbilt (2009-present).
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Okay...? I'm not sure that really contradicts what I said about Florida being either marginally or not better than us the last four games.

I mean, in 2010 Florida goes 4-4 in the SEC. We go 3-5. They go 3-5 in 2011. We go 1-7. 3-5 in 2013, 2-6 for us. The obvious glaring disparity is 2012, but I think everyone and their mom recognizes the talent Tennessee had on the offensive side of the ball, but the defense was, as we all know, completely atrocious. Florida was in many ways our mirror for that year. They had a great defense and a sluggish offense, we had a great offense and a sluggish (to say the least) defense. Florida won all of their close games (excepting Georgia) and Tennessee lost all of their close games.

All four of those games were completely winnable for Tennessee, so I think psychology is definitely playing a role at this point.
 
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The real question becomes which of these two teams will show consistent upward mobility first.

Both programs have been underperforming for a while.

It really seems that 2012 was a fluke year for Florida in hindsight.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
Okay...? I'm not sure that really contradicts what I said about Florida being either marginally or not better than us the last four games.

I mean, in 2010 Florida goes 4-4 in the SEC. We go 3-5. They go 3-5 in 2011. We go 1-7. 3-5 in 2013, 2-6 for us. The obvious glaring disparity is 2012, but I think everyone and their mom recognizes the talent Tennessee had on the offensive side of the ball, but the defense was, as we all know, completely atrocious. Florida was in many ways our mirror for that year. They had a great defense and a sluggish offense, we had a great offense and a sluggish (to say the least) defense. Florida won all of their close games (excepting Georgia) and Tennessee lost all of their close games.

All four of those games were completely winnable for Tennessee, so I think psychology is definitely playing a role at this point.
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Winnable, maybe, but Florida was still better than us in 2010 and 2011, so I don't think that was psychology. Last year we were about even, and Jones made the horrible decision to start Peterman. I guess you can somewhat chalk that up to psychology.

But my larger point was I hear/see Vol fans act like so many games have been our better UT team has lost to an inferior Florida team, and that's simply not the case. Florida has been better than us the majority of the time.
 
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I hate Florida, Hell I hate people who are Gators fans but as Tennessee fans there is no way we should talk crap to them with how they have dominated us.
 
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We might not be able to win SEC games, esp against Florida, but we have a good turnout for the spring game. That counts for a W right?
 
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99gator said:
the great myth is that the problem has been psychological.

since 2005 (when the florida streak started), tennessee is 14-41 against sec opponents not named kentucky and vanderbilt.

10 of those 14 wins came under fulmer.

ole miss (2010) and south carolina (2013) are the only non-kentucky, non-vanderbilt, sec wins tennessee has had since 2010.

so, again, it's not psychological.
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It is when Vandys been a better program than Florida the past few years minus the luckiest Sugar Bowl Season ever. Lol.
 
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