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CountVolcula

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did "keeping it real" become such a bad thing?

All you people calling for upsets of every ranked team on our schedule best cool the jets a little. Nothing wrong with being hopeful, but at sometime you just have to face the fact that we are not a very good team

Yes, we beat S. Carolina, but we are still coming off a 5-7 season with a whole roster of new faces that may or may not pan out. You don't know until they hit the real field how they will perform. New guys have to learn playbooks, blocking schemes, etc. Majority won't enroll until later and have only a few months and limited practices to learn. College is a whole different monster than HS football. Even great players have a learning curve.

Everyone looks good in practices, so getting your hopes up over a big play here and there in practice is not a good indicator of future success.

We still have a ways to go and these guys will need us to be patient and stop expecting too much out of them and then being disappointed because they didn't beat the likes of OU, Bama, and the other power teams on our schedule

Ad to that, a 2nd year coaching staff still learning what it takes to win in the SEC. Still developing the players. Still working on play calling during games

Now, I fully expect my fandom to come into question. Believe me, I have drank enough of the Koolaid over the years to drown a Crimson Elephant. I can also tell you that anyone who is still a fan of UT after the last 6 years is no imposter.


Here's hoping we make a bowl and improve more in 2015
 
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The thing is when u accept mediocrity that's all u will ever get. I dont think missing a bowl should've happened any of the last 3 years regardless of circumstance and there is no reason we cant this year. If u keep expecting 5 win seasons thats what u probably will get because it will become accepted. Im not saying we will win the east but 6 wins is completely possible.
 
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Vol865 said:
The thing is when u accept mediocrity that's all u will ever get. I dont think missing a bowl should've happened any of the last 3 years regardless of circumstance and there is no reason we cant this year. If u keep expecting 5 win seasons thats what u probably will get because it will become accepted. Im not saying we will win the east but 6 wins is completely possible.
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This attitude is exactly why people like myself, Count, and Sjt have been crucified.
 
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Vol865 said:
The thing is when u accept mediocrity that's all u will ever get. I dont think missing a bowl should've happened any of the last 3 years regardless of circumstance and there is no reason we cant this year. If u keep expecting 5 win seasons thats what u probably will get because it will become accepted. Im not saying we will win the east but 6 wins is completely possible.
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That's if you're actively involved with the outcome.


Fandom/predictions for something we're all just spectators to...that principle doesn't really apply the same way.
 
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It's not good when the Count is thirsty for attention:drool:
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Doyle Hargraves said:
This is why Count is one if the MVPs (Most Valuable Posters) on this board.
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A 7-5 record and a bowl would please me. With new OLs and DLs, we will be lucky to win 7. I just hope we can beat USU, ASU, Vandy, UTC, KY and pull out an upset somewhere else.

I am as excited as the next Vol fan about the great recruiting class, but we have only had one. Our competitors have had four or more in a row.
 
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Did no one tell you, Count? If you don't predict UT to go 14-0 undefeated national champs then you aren't VFL.
 
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"Keeping it Real" becomes a bad thing when the "Real" is geared mainly.......towards searching for reasons why should Fail, yet...."staying hopeful". It has become like some "fans/vn posters" are threatened by the idea of Vols winning.
 
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Vol865 said:
The thing is when u accept mediocrity that's all u will ever get. I dont think missing a bowl should've happened any of the last 3 years regardless of circumstance and there is no reason we cant this year. If u keep expecting 5 win seasons thats what u probably will get because it will become accepted. Im not saying we will win the east but 6 wins is completely possible.
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You can expect a 10 win season all you want. Be delusional and expect, expect, wish, hope, dream, pray, kick your dog.......all you want and it won't change a thing if you are not coaching or playing. I guess you believe you can just demand and expect by firing the coaches every year, boo the players, but it's this kind of short sighted thinking that will kill any chance we have to start winning.
 
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Vol865 said:
The thing is when u accept mediocrity that's all u will ever get. I dont think missing a bowl should've happened any of the last 3 years regardless of circumstance and there is no reason we cant this year. If u keep expecting 5 win seasons thats what u probably will get because it will become accepted. Im not saying we will win the east but 6 wins is completely possible.
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Facts are when Vandy had Franklin we only had one easy win in the SEC east. Now, we should have two; however, KY will become competitive over the next few years. Everyone states the SEC bottoms teams are garbage, yet as a conference our bottom teams constantly beat other 6-8 win teams in other big conferences year in and year out in bowl games. My point is, in the SEC there are no easy wins anymore. Other then KY, Vandy, and Arky, any team could beat us at any given time next year in the SEC. The times of the SEC have changed. Winning 9-10 games a year in this conference as it stands now is an incredible achievement. For us to even win six games next year we have to beat some teams that are better in talent then we are. As count said, our coaches are also learning as we speak on how to call complete, structured games that give our players the best chance to win. Our talent is no where close to elite yet, and our coaches still have lots to prove in terms of X and O. I'm as excited as the next person about how well Butch and this staff represents UT throughout the country; however, it will all be for nothing if we can't find ways to win games like the Vandy game last year.
 
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Count, you know that common sense and patience have no place on Vol Nation. Impatience and orange tinted idiocy prevail. Improvement will be gradual of course starting with good recruiting.
 
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CountVolcula said:
did "keeping it real" become such a bad thing?

All you people calling for upsets of every ranked team on our schedule best cool the jets a little. Nothing wrong with being hopeful, but at sometime you just have to face the fact that we are not a very good team

Yes, we beat S. Carolina, but we are still coming off a 5-7 season with a whole roster of new faces that may or may not pan out. You don't know until they hit the real field how they will perform. New guys have to learn playbooks, blocking schemes, etc. Majority won't enroll until later and have only a few months and limited practices to learn. College is a whole different monster than HS football. Even great players have a learning curve.

Everyone looks good in practices, so getting your hopes up over a big play here and there in practice is not a good indicator of future success.

We still have a ways to go and these guys will need us to be patient and stop expecting too much out of them and then being disappointed because they didn't beat the likes of OU, Bama, and the other power teams on our schedule

Ad to that, a 2nd year coaching staff still learning what it takes to win in the SEC. Still developing the players. Still working on play calling during games

Now, I fully expect my fandom to come into question. Believe me, I have drank enough of the Koolaid over the years to drown a Crimson Elephant. I can also tell you that anyone who is still a fan of UT after the last 6 years is no imposter.


Here's hoping we make a bowl and improve more in 2015
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My coach doesn't accept mediocre, my team doesn't accept mediocre and I will not accept it.
 
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Translation: some of you need to pump the breaks a little.

I'm excited about the talent upgrade we've seen on the roster since Butch arrived, but it's going to take some time until we see that translate into wins. IMO.
 
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Thoroughly acknowledge your opinion, as this is directed toward my post. But one quick question, so when is your mind going to change? If we beat OU will that be "lucky" going into Georgia? No faith before a win?
 
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Freak said:
Translation: some of you need to pump the breaks a little.

I'm excited about the talent upgrade we've seen on the roster since Butch arrived, but it's going to take some time until we see that translate into wins. IMO.
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:yes:
 
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I say let Butch coach and let's see what happens.. And everybody just chill and let the man work...he's right on track on my option .
 
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Serpent710 said:
Thoroughly acknowledge your opinion, as this is directed toward my post. But one quick question, so when is your mind going to change? If we beat OU will that be "lucky" going into Georgia? No faith before a win?
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I think it changes when we have "legitimate" faith in our team's ability to win any game. That's when it will change.

Hell, this place was doing cartwheels after a close loss to UGA last season....not after a win, mind you, but a close loss.

I remember the 90's and there weren't too many instances where UT didn't have a chance going into the game. Now, we mark blowouts before the season starts. When those days end, we're back.
 
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CountVolcula said:
did "keeping it real" become such a bad thing?

All you people calling for upsets of every ranked team on our schedule best cool the jets a little. Nothing wrong with being hopeful, but at sometime you just have to face the fact that we are not a very good team

Yes, we beat S. Carolina, but we are still coming off a 5-7 season with a whole roster of new faces that may or may not pan out. You don't know until they hit the real field how they will perform. New guys have to learn playbooks, blocking schemes, etc. Majority won't enroll until later and have only a few months and limited practices to learn. College is a whole different monster than HS football. Even great players have a learning curve.

Everyone looks good in practices, so getting your hopes up over a big play here and there in practice is not a good indicator of future success.

We still have a ways to go and these guys will need us to be patient and stop expecting too much out of them and then being disappointed because they didn't beat the likes of OU, Bama, and the other power teams on our schedule

Ad to that, a 2nd year coaching staff still learning what it takes to win in the SEC. Still developing the players. Still working on play calling during games

Now, I fully expect my fandom to come into question. Believe me, I have drank enough of the Koolaid over the years to drown a Crimson Elephant. I can also tell you that anyone who is still a fan of UT after the last 6 years is no imposter.


Here's hoping we make a bowl and improve more in 2015
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Blind faith sunshine pumpers after reading this.
 
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Freak said:
Translation: some of you need to pump the breaks a little.

I'm excited about the talent upgrade we've seen on the roster since Butch arrived, but it's going to take some time until we see that translate into wins. IMO.
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Freak "gets it"

Our first piece is in place and that was a great recruiting class

Now, I want to see a bowl game. Lower the margin of victory by our tougher opponents. Win another unexpected game. Close on another top 5 class

2015, win even more. Get in the final Top 25 rankings. Another Top 5 class

2016, compete for the SEC title.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I think it changes when we have "legitimate" faith in our team's ability to win any game. That's when it will change.

Hell, this place was doing cartwheels after a close loss to UGA last season....not after a win, mind you, but a close loss.

I remember the 90's and there weren't too many instances where UT didn't have a chance going into the game. Now, we mark blowouts before the season starts. When those days end, we're back.
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We have fallen so far

A loss to Georgia would have been the end of the world.
 
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CountVolcula said:
We have fallen so far

A loss to Georgia would have been the end of the world.
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I feel like it wasn't in 2000 though.

A loss back then to Vandy or Kentucky, yes, certainly though. Were this board around it might have crashed so hard it might have never come back up.
 
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