At what point

#51
#51
Keeping it real is well and good. If you ask me, we need the reality every now and then. But there's a difference between really keeping it real and repetitive denigrating the team, coaches, and all things Vol post after poster, thread after thread, and saying next to nothing positive about the team or program. You either love your team or you don't. If you don't go elsewhere, root for some other team. I'm not the coach but I still think if the Butch drags on the QB selection right through the O&W game like before, he's making a mistake. The QB sets the team's attitude and personality. You want that up well before your first game. But you won't see beating up on CBJ about it every post and across threads. I've said what I have to say about it, might mention it again a months from now but that's it. Count, your take makes sense. We'll see what comes out of the season.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
2016? To quote a former President, this post suffers from "the soft bigotry of low expectations."

We just signed a 32-player recruiting class full of four-star players and 14 early enrollees, so it's really like we signed two recruiting classes in one year. By adding an instant infusion of speed and playmaking ability to a 5-7 roster that sorely needed it, there's no reason why we shouldn't expect to win EIGHT games this season and to win the SEC East in 2015. Coach Jones has said that 6-win seasons are totally unacceptable for a program with our resources, and I believe that he can get it done.

2014 Expectation: 9-4

v. Utah State: W
v. Arkansas State: W
@ Oklahoma: L
@ Georgia: L
v. Florida: W
v. Chattanooga: W
@ Ole Miss: W
v. Alabama: L
@ South Carolina: L
v. Kentucky: W
v. Missouri: W
@ Vanderbilt: W

Bowl Game: W
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championship coaches have histrically made huge/strides n wins their 2nd yr.. this type of record would be in line with those trends and would be a welcome site.. however, most of vn believe that we suxed so bad that no one can turn us around quickly and it takes every coach 3 to 5 yrs for tn .. lol n im saying stats dont lie n 2014 will tell us tons about the best staff n america.
 
#53
#53
white65 said:
I'll start off by saying I'm drunk. I remember my family getting together just to watch a tn game bc we were sure to win I became a true fan when kiffin because coach (I was in the 7th grade) It was the first time remember feeling excitement over football. I feel the same way over butch and I think our recievers will be unstoppable this year. If your in Chattanooga and you'd like to earn $5 buying me beer or liquor message me.
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Let me see if I've got this straight. You were in the 7th grade when Kiffin was coach. That was 2009 and 7th graders are 12 or so. So that would make you 16-18, right?

If so, this is a perfect example of why underage drinking is a bad idea!
 
#54
#54
Given what we have endured as fans over the past several years, if we can find our way to 7-5 and then win a bowl game to get to 8-5. It would almost feel like a national championship. And that's sad.
 
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#55
WoodsmanVol said:
Keeping it real is well and good. If you ask me, we need the reality every now and then. But there's a difference between really keeping it real and repetitive denigrating the team, coaches, and all things Vol post after poster, thread after thread, and saying next to nothing positive about the team or program. You either love your team or you don't. If you don't go elsewhere, root for some other team. I'm not the coach but I still think if the Butch drags on the QB selection right through the O&W game like before, he's making a mistake. The QB sets the team's attitude and personality. You want that up well before your first game. But you won't see beating up on CBJ about it every post and across threads. I've said what I have to say about it, might mention it again a months from now but that's it. Count, your take makes sense. We'll see what comes out of the season.
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we will have to see how the QBs shake out,during spring practice first,just remember that the O&W game is just a glorified practice,as i am sure you know

us fans probably want really know much till the middle of fall practice,as to who will be the starting QB
 
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#56
TrueOrange said:
That's if you're actively involved with the outcome.


Fandom/predictions for something we're all just spectators to...that principle doesn't really apply the same way.
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If you are a competitor, it doesn't matter if you are speculating or playing. You want to win. Expecting a 5 win season every year is not being realistic. Its brushing off every bit of optimism because you're scared of being burned again. You all act like someone saying that UT having 3 straight losing seasons is unacceptable is the same as saying we should be an 11 win team every year.
 
#57
#57
volroadwarrior said:
You can expect a 10 win season all you want. Be delusional and expect, expect, wish, hope, dream, pray, kick your dog.......all you want and it won't change a thing if you are not coaching or playing. I guess you believe you can just demand and expect by firing the coaches every year, boo the players, but it's this kind of short sighted thinking that will kill any chance we have to start winning.
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Reading comprehension buddy. Look at the last sentence of my post.
 
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Vol865 said:
If you are a competitor, it doesn't matter if you are speculating or playing. You want to win. Expecting a 5 win season every year is not being realistic. Its brushing off every bit of optimism because you're scared of being burned again. You all act like someone saying that UT having 3 straight losing seasons is unacceptable is the same as saying we should be an 11 win team every year.
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Hate to break this to you buddy. Nothing you type here, tell your buddies, or yell in the stand will have any effect (NONE) on the outcome of any games played by the Volunteers. And, despite what others have proclaimed here on VN, shaking a pom-pom very hard doesnt' help them either.

I hope this doesn't ruin your day, tho.
 
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Backwards K said:
Hate to break this to you buddy. Nothing you type here, tell your buddies, or yell in the stand will have any effect (NONE) on the outcome of any games played by the Volunteers. And, despite what others have proclaimed here on VN, shaking a pom-pom very hard doesnt' help them either.

I hope this doesn't ruin your day, tho.
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Well hell I guess I won't waste my money on tickets now lol
 
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#62
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CountVolcula said:
did "keeping it real" become such a bad thing?

All you people calling for upsets of every ranked team on our schedule best cool the jets a little. Nothing wrong with being hopeful, but at sometime you just have to face the fact that we are not a very good team

Yes, we beat S. Carolina, but we are still coming off a 5-7 season with a whole roster of new faces that may or may not pan out. You don't know until they hit the real field how they will perform. New guys have to learn playbooks, blocking schemes, etc. Majority won't enroll until later and have only a few months and limited practices to learn. College is a whole different monster than HS football. Even great players have a learning curve.

Everyone looks good in practices, so getting your hopes up over a big play here and there in practice is not a good indicator of future success.

We still have a ways to go and these guys will need us to be patient and stop expecting too much out of them and then being disappointed because they didn't beat the likes of OU, Bama, and the other power teams on our schedule

Ad to that, a 2nd year coaching staff still learning what it takes to win in the SEC. Still developing the players. Still working on play calling during games

Now, I fully expect my fandom to come into question. Believe me, I have drank enough of the Koolaid over the years to drown a Crimson Elephant. I can also tell you that anyone who is still a fan of UT after the last 6 years is no imposter.


Here's hoping we make a bowl and improve more in 2015
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Pretty well stated Count! :hi:

Of course you are now banned for life, you dirty Bammer/Gator!


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Backwards K said:
Hate to break this to you buddy. Nothing you type here, tell your buddies, or yell in the stand will have any effect (NONE) on the outcome of any games played by the Volunteers. And, despite what others have proclaimed here on VN, shaking a pom-pom very hard doesnt' help them either.

I hope this doesn't ruin your day, tho.
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Individually not so much but it can when there's over 100,00 in the stands.

I'm not much for the rah-rah stuff on here, but an enthusiastic home crowd can help the outcome of a game. That's a fact.

*And by enthusiastic, I mean a crazy bunch of loud, pom pom shaking Vol fans.
 
#64
#64
I think there is an aversion to "keeping it real" here, because, if you look at it realistically, then you see that Butch Jones took over for the worst coach in UT history and duplicated his worst record. To be realistic, you have to rely on facts. How many coaches have won a championship in the SEC after starting their first year with a losing record? I think it's been 2 in the last 23 years or something like that. Realism and odds don't point to this staff ever winning a championship here. But you can't blame people for hoping we're the exception and not the rule.
 
#66
#66
I feel better about the team than I did previously. I think they DO have the potential to be a the surprise... the Missouri of '14 though it was breaks as much as good play that got Mizzou to more than 8 wins. I NEVER think expectations should be low but predictions should be careful.

It is funny that some who now claim "not to accept mediocrity"... go CRAZY on you if you say that the coaching performance in '13 was not good enough.

I am hopeful tempered with realism.
 
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sjt18 said:
It is funny that some who now claim "not to accept mediocrity"... go CRAZY on you if you say that the coaching performance in '13 was not good enough.
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Well yeah, because it's never the coaches' fault. Haven't you learned anything in your time here? If we turn out to be bad, it's just because of the players (and all those dumb recruiting services that always get all of our player's rankings wrong).
 
#68
#68
Unnecessary thread.

Next time you go to a wedding,stand up and exclaim "Hey yall,lets be real! 70% of marriages end in divorce.Plus yer gal cant compete with Katherine Webb this year - maybe in 2015 barring injuries"

Or...you can keep it real and be respectful at the joyous occasion that is spring practice. Its suppose to be a happy time. The weather ischanging,flowers blooming and pads poppin. Enjoy it.
 
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#69
#69
Part of the fun of college football is having high expectations. It makes the losses hurt more but it makes the wins that much better. I don't blame anyone for "keeping it real" but also don't blame others for going all in
 
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CountVolcula said:
did "keeping it real" become such a bad thing?

All you people calling for upsets of every ranked team on our schedule best cool the jets a little. Nothing wrong with being hopeful, but at sometime you just have to face the fact that we are not a very good team

Yes, we beat S. Carolina, but we are still coming off a 5-7 season with a whole roster of new faces that may or may not pan out. You don't know until they hit the real field how they will perform. New guys have to learn playbooks, blocking schemes, etc. Majority won't enroll until later and have only a few months and limited practices to learn. College is a whole different monster than HS football. Even great players have a learning curve.

Everyone looks good in practices, so getting your hopes up over a big play here and there in practice is not a good indicator of future success.

We still have a ways to go and these guys will need us to be patient and stop expecting too much out of them and then being disappointed because they didn't beat the likes of OU, Bama, and the other power teams on our schedule

Ad to that, a 2nd year coaching staff still learning what it takes to win in the SEC. Still developing the players. Still working on play calling during games

Now, I fully expect my fandom to come into question. Believe me, I have drank enough of the Koolaid over the years to drown a Crimson Elephant. I can also tell you that anyone who is still a fan of UT after the last 6 years is no imposter.


Here's hoping we make a bowl and improve more in 2015
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Buzzkill!!!!
 
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#71
Even with the huge loss of experience, we are in better shape to beat Vandy, Mizzou, gators and gawja than last year.

I'm gonna put the Vandy and Mizzou games at 75% because they are later in the season and these teams had massive upheavals in talent departed. Vandy lost entire secondary, QB, 2 best WRs, etc and coaches. Their recruiting class imploded too. Missou lost 9 starters on D, QB, RB, 2 Starting WRs and 3 on depth chart to early graduation.

I put FL at 50%. It is 5th game instead of 3rd and at home. They are still very good on D but they lost a lot of talent to NFL so they don't appear to be as deep. Oline lost 4 starters. They really didn't do much to improve passing game except new coach and that means new scheme which takes time to develop. RBs are beat up. You just don't know how players will be coming off injuries and they had a ton of them last year. Driscoll isn't the best qb around either...especially with our new speed on offense. One last thing...no more Easley!

GA I put at about 45% probability. They lost everybody on offense. Young defense was terrible last year but has another year of experience. Hutson looks decent. Road game.
 
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