Ath Dept Not Doing Their Job -- Tiny

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WoodsmanVol said:
Here we go again with self-designated holy, omniscient, politicized and bigoted fans.

Tiny declared early in an effort to relieve financial hardship for his family. However, he has a knee injury that is no secrete to NFL scouts and was evident at the combine. If you holier than thou snots have it in you, try getting access to some facts as opposed to preconceived decisions about something you know nothing about. You can start here: Former Vol Antonio "Tiny" Richardson signs with Vikings

Had he stayed one more year, that knee may have gotten worse and he wouldn't even be selected as an undrafted free agent. Football is a business. You don't shell out major dough for a racehorse or even a draft horse with a leg injury. You may want a Clydesdale but under the circumstances, a Morgan is a better option. And that's why J. James went lightyears higher than Tiny. Now go ahead and lay into me, it's what pre-decided snits do.

Now as for blaming the AD, I have to agree that's plain dumb. The reasons are so obvious I won't even waste time commenting on it.
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I'm not quite sure what nerve I hit, but it's obvious that my remark set you off. That was not the intent.

I don't see how I am holy, omniscient, politicized, or bigoted, or how a reasonable observer could have gathered any of that from the post you quoted (which the mods deleted for some reason, yet failed to remove from your reply). The only point I can really argue is your comment that I'm politicized. If anything, I'm apolitical; I shared the definition because I tire of seeing vague categorizations of political mindset misused as epithets. I think both sides have lost their minds. But again, I digress.

As for my final comment, which brought the bulk of your reply: We are all the culmination of our choices, for good or ill. I wish him the best of luck.

I'm sorry you spent so much time on a reply to what I meant only as an offhand remark. I hope you have a better day.
 
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tnvols72 said:
looks like this thread did not go as plan for wiseoldone
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WiseOlVol said:
The University's job is to prepare students for their professional careers. That includes aspiring professional athletes. They are in entertainment no less so than, say, drama and music majors.

It appears Tiny won't be drafted because, principally, he was not ready for the combine and other pre-draft workouts.

For all potential draftees, the The Ath Dept should organize simulated events whereby the kids can assess whether they'll stack up and in which areas they are lacking.

For underclassmen, the likely results of the combine and pre-draft events should be known before the kid pulls the trigger and declares for the draft. We're talking about millions of dollars here.

Both Bray and Tiny already had enough exposure to be almost assured of a 1st or 2nd round selection if they stay for the Sr. years. That's a ton of guaranteed money.

It's malpractice to allow these kids to shoot themselves in the foot.
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Maybe you should apply for the ADs position or at least an advisory role. Sounds like you know more than a while department of well paid inderviderals.

Have you considered the reports that AR had medical (knee) issues when having physicals? Its the risk you take going after the big $$$ early.

Also, if knees have issues, then another yr here ain't gonna help. Sometimes future stars have to get jobs like the rest of us when physical issues arise. See Michael Munoz.
 
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livefaith said:
Maybe you should apply for the ADs position or at least an advisory role. Sounds like you know more than a whole department of well paid experienced inderviderals.
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Have you considered the reports that AR had medical (knee) issues when having physicals? Its the risk you take going after the big $$$ early.

Also, if knees have issues, then another yr here ain't gonna help. Sometimes future stars have to get jobs like the rest of us when physical issues arise. See Michael Munoz.
 
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perico said:
If Bray had stayed it wouldn't have mattered because he would've been sitting right alongside Mo Crouch last season for taking illegal benefits from boosters, which wouldve ended with him not being drafted... again. Why do people overlook this rather important fact regarding Bray?
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Bray would have been able to pay it back and sit no longer than ha ha Clinton dicks. Mo sat because he had no way to pay it back.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
The University's job is to prepare students for their professional careers. That includes aspiring professional athletes. They are in entertainment no less so than, say, drama and music majors.

It appears Tiny won't be drafted because, principally, he was not ready for the combine and other pre-draft workouts.

For all potential draftees, the The Ath Dept should organize simulated events whereby the kids can assess whether they'll stack up and in which areas they are lacking.

For underclassmen, the likely results of the combine and pre-draft events should be known before the kid pulls the trigger and declares for the draft. We're talking about millions of dollars here.

Both Bray and Tiny already had enough exposure to be almost assured of a 1st or 2nd round selection if they stay for the Sr. years. That's a ton of guaranteed money.

It's malpractice to allow these kids to shoot themselves in the foot.
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Given your weak premise, UT isn't the only athletic department not doing its job.

Alabama, LSU, Southern Cal, South Carolina, Florida, Oregon, Oklahoma State, Missouri and Notre Dame all had underclassmen go undrafted.

Fire everybody.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
Clowney got 0 sacks in a losing effort. Not impressive to me. Clearly Clowney was deemed #1 draft pick and injured Tiny was not. But zero sacks in a losing effort is not "owning." If it is, then I hope exact same result happens again this year. :question:
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He got no sacks cause they We away from him. He still too Rajon's head off a couple of times on the opposite side of the line of scrimmage cause he was gone before Tiny could see him. I watched that matchup all afternoon
 
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Pretty obvious to me that today's generation confuses social media babble with reality.

The two are not to be confused. Social media babble is not the real world. This draft made that lesson painful again for Tiny, among others.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
The University's job is to prepare students for their professional careers. That includes aspiring professional athletes. They are in entertainment no less so than, say, drama and music majors.

It appears Tiny won't be drafted because, principally, he was not ready for the combine and other pre-draft workouts.

For all potential draftees, the The Ath Dept should organize simulated events whereby the kids can assess whether they'll stack up and in which areas they are lacking.

For underclassmen, the likely results of the combine and pre-draft events should be known before the kid pulls the trigger and declares for the draft. We're talking about millions of dollars here.

Both Bray and Tiny already had enough exposure to be almost assured of a 1st or 2nd round selection if they stay for the Sr. years. That's a ton of guaranteed money.

It's malpractice to allow these kids to shoot themselves in the foot.
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You should change your screen name because wise isn't in this post. Tiny was prepared. His stock was not dropped based on workouts. It's this thing called a knee that is awful accdg to his failed physical
 
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Say what you want about UT athletic administration, but I think most scouts would argue that UT provides a pretty friggin good foundation. Tiny seems to be a good dude, but I am willing to bet he had better surroundings around him than last years #1 pick Eric Fisher.
Like a poster mentioned earlier all you can do is lead them to water.
 
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gunner said:
Yes, had Tiny played at Bama he's goes in the 2nd or 3rd round, because UT is known as a losing program right now. NFL teams want kids that come from winning programs because they are used to winning and have a winning mentality. Kids from a losing program have a losing mentality in the eyes of many NFL scouts.
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You cannot honestly believe this.
 
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Burger said:
I'd say the first doesnt really matter. He developed what he had during his time there.
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I think Boca's point is Butch didn't recruit and coach a player until said player was drafted. Until he does this one could argue it was the other staff that either saw the talent or developed it.
 
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I wasn't able to watch much of the draft after the 1st round, but I kept a tab open on my phone browser watching nfl.com's updating list of picks. At the bottom of the list were best available remaining players, Tiny was the #1 name on that list for most of the later rounds. I feel really bad for the guy, obvious potential with his size. Needed more focus to stop all his false starts, but I don't think that would scare any NFL coach off to the point of him going undrafted. Any coach at that level thinks they can fix that.

IMO, teams must be completely terrified of his knees and ANY kind of guaranteed contract that a drafted player may receive.

Drafted or not, best of luck to all of our VFL's following their NFL dreams this season.
 
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Putting the blame entirely on the AD is a stretch at best. Focus, focus, focus. Plus wave millions of potential dollars in front of a 21 year old's face and see how they react.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I think Boca's point is Butch didn't recruit and coach a player until said player was drafted. Until he does this one could argue it was the other staff that either saw the talent or developed it.
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Thank you. This isn't a knock against Jones but you can't make statements about Jones putting players in the NFL when he hasn't coached through a recruiting cycle at any of his stops.

He may send players to the NFL in droves, and I hope he does.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Whoa whoa there! Thats just crazy talk! You don't actually believe people can be responsible for themselves do you? :crazy:
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Of course not! Don't you know that huge government is supposed to take care of EVERYONE - here and everywhere else in the world. If it can't do that then we obviously need to be taxed even more to make the government even huger! Haven't you noticed how well that approach worked out in other places around the world :crazy:
 
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WiseOlVol said:
The University's job is to prepare students for their professional careers. That includes aspiring professional athletes. They are in entertainment no less so than, say, drama and music majors.

It appears Tiny won't be drafted because, principally, he was not ready for the combine and other pre-draft workouts.

For all potential draftees, the The Ath Dept should organize simulated events whereby the kids can assess whether they'll stack up and in which areas they are lacking.

For underclassmen, the likely results of the combine and pre-draft events should be known before the kid pulls the trigger and declares for the draft. We're talking about millions of dollars here.

Both Bray and Tiny already had enough exposure to be almost assured of a 1st or 2nd round selection if they stay for the Sr. years. That's a ton of guaranteed money.

It's malpractice to allow these kids to shoot themselves in the foot.
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none of that had anything to do with Tiny's getting drafted or not. Coming back for his senior year was likely more risk than coming out now. He only has so many years left on fragile knees and another college season would lessen the number of money years he might have. He might end up with zero but he made the appropriate decision at this time in his life.

UT could have done nothing else to improve his draft status this year or next.
 
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