Atheism makes you smart, but don't take my word for it...

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IPorange said:
It may be falsifiable in the future. Like the theory of relativity. It doesn't make it "not a science."
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No ... the creationist magic story is completely non-falsifiable, and that isn't because we don't have the tools or theories to do so! That is because God is entirely non-material, and that the universe operates as it would with or without god, that theists say that God is unknowable by nature/intellectual means. And, even if you can miraculously prove God does exist, it is still 100% logically impossible to prove that God does not. Any argument posed by atheists will be met by the theists "but, God is ineffable" or "but, God is mysterious" or the best "but, the human mind is fallible and you can only know the creator by faith".

Also, I fail to see how relativity was not falsifiable. Could the calculations not be shown to have been wrong; was it tautologically true? Yes, and no! If not falsifiable; not science. You can't change a discipline to suit your fancy.
 
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turambar85 said:
No ... the creationist magic story is completely non-falsifiable, and that isn't because we don't have the tools or theories to do so! That is because God is entirely non-material, and that the universe operates as it would with or without god, that theists say that God is unknowable by nature/intellectual means. And, even if you can miraculously prove God does exist, it is still 100% logically impossible to prove that God does not. Any argument posed by atheists will be met by the theists "but, God is ineffable" or "but, God is mysterious" or the best "but, the human mind is fallible and you can only know the creator by faith".

Also, I fail to see how relativity was not falsifiable. Could the calculations not be shown to have been wrong; was it tautologically true? Yes, and no! If not falsifiable; not science. You can't change a discipline to suit your fancy.
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No one has changed anything. At the time Einstein's theory was put forward it was unverifiable by measurable observations. It was mathematically and theoretically sound, but was unproven. Over time, some ways to test it have become available due to advances in technology. It has passed them for the most part thus far. There may come a day it fails to pass a test and thus has to be revised. That's science. http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/03/theory-of-relativity-passes-another-test/

"Nanny-nanny booboo, there's always room for God," is in itself an infinitely moving target, as what it means to "disprove" God will constantly be pushed back beyond the limit of what humans currently "know." I am not saying that i know there is no God, I am just saying it doesn't belong in the discussion of science. They are two totally unrelated thinking processes.
 
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IPorange said:
No one has changed anything. At the time Einstein's theory was put forward it was unverifiable by measurable observations. It was mathematically and theoretically sound, but was unproven. Over time, some ways to test it have become available due to advances in technology. It has passed them for the most part thus far. There may come a day it fails to pass a test and thus has to be revised. That's science. Theory of Relativity Passes Another Test | Universe Today

"Nanny-nanny booboo, there's always room for God," is in itself an infinitely moving target, as what it means to "disprove" God will constantly be pushed back beyond the limit of what humans currently "know." I am not saying that i know there is no God, I am just saying it doesn't belong in the discussion of science. They are two totally unrelated thinking processes.
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Nicely stated.
 
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IPorange said:
No one has changed anything. At the time Einstein's theory was put forward it was unverifiable by measurable observations. It was mathematically and theoretically sound, but was unproven. Over time, some ways to test it have become available due to advances in technology. It has passed them for the most part thus far. There may come a day it fails to pass a test and thus has to be revised. That's science. Theory of Relativity Passes Another Test | Universe Today

"Nanny-nanny booboo, there's always room for God," is in itself an infinitely moving target, as what it means to "disprove" God will constantly be pushed back beyond the limit of what humans currently "know." I am not saying that i know there is no God, I am just saying it doesn't belong in the discussion of science. They are two totally unrelated thinking processes.
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+1

Good call geology boy!
 
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