Atheist girl gets death threats at school

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dembewbs said:
just trying to make a quick buck...had they not took it down that girls family would have sued the school system....
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Because I am completely sick of accessing Westlaw and LexisNexis; will you show me a case where a family received monetary damages from a suit against a school system based on discrimination on the basis of religion?
 
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There are dumbasses in every facet of life. Christianity isn't immune. The hate shown is probably more for her actions rather than belief, and they aren't going to kill her. I'm sure some people knew she was an atheist before. Was she threatened prior, or after she effed up their day and banner?
Dude that dropped punts for sf got death threats. Whatever. It just makes fools feel better, but most are cowards and couldn't kill to save their own life.
 
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TennesseeOrange said:
Because I am completely sick of accessing Westlaw and LexisNexis; will you show me a case where a family received monetary damages from a suit against a school system based on discrimination on the basis of religion?
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first time for everything....:)
 
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dembewbs said:
first time for everything....:)
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No kidding. I honestly just want a case citation.

Was the First Amendment incorporated to the states under the due process clause of the 14th amendment?
(hint: 330 U.S. 1)

Is a banner with a christian prayer an endorsement of religion?
(Hint: don't care to research).
 
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TennesseeOrange said:
No kidding. I honestly just want a case citation.

Was the First Amendment incorporated to the states under the due process clause of the 14th amendment?
(hint: 330 U.S. 1)

Is a banner with a christian prayer an endorsement of religion?
(Hint: don't care to research).
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Idk
 
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RespectTradition said:
It's not terrorism, but it is disgusting.
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***THIS***
And I do fancy myself a Christian and as such do not like to make generalizations about all Muslims being a threat. I would appreciate the same courtesy but you (THE OP) are by no means required to do so as it is your protected right to do so in the constitution.

I would like to know where the banner was posted? And whether other religious and non-religious affilliations were able to post there as well?
 
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OsbourneBROS83 said:
***THIS***
And I do fancy myself a Christian and as such do not like to make generalizations about all Muslims being a threat. I would appreciate the same courtesy but you (THE OP) are by no means required to do so as it is your protected right to do so in the constitution.

I would like to know where the banner was posted? And whether other religious and non-religious affilliations were able to post there as well?
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These threats are terrorism. Simple. I'll reiterate the definition of terrorism as taken from dictionary.com: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

OsbourneBROS83 said:
Can you not make that argument for anything? Laws, politics, social policy? Just curious I guess what point you are trying to make with this statement?
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My point was pretty clear. It doesn't matter that laws, politics, or social policy are open for interpretation, but religion is still in the eye of the beholder.
 
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Jesus didnt create a religion....man did.

Jesus tried to teach a heart change, not a set of rules to live by.

With that said, the girl shouldn't be getting death threats.

I also don't view it as terrorism though.

We call this terrorism and the next thing you know the 12 grader beating up the freshman because he said he would and can is now a terrorist. Stupid yes. Terrorist no.
 
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Interesting quote by John Adams-"statesman may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand"
 
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It's terrorism, by definition. The bully is a terrorist, also. By attempting to install fear into another human being either by violence, or the threat of, then it's terrorism. Fairly simple.
 
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VOLatile said:
These threats are terrorism. Simple. I'll reiterate the definition of terrorism as taken from dictionary.com: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.



My point was pretty clear. It doesn't matter that laws, politics, or social policy are open for interpretation, but religion is still in the eye of the beholder.
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There are many different definitions of Terrorism and none are systematically accepted. Even the federal and state governments all have competeing definitions of terrorism. More to the point though, think of the precedent that referring to incidents such as these are terrorism would set. This would create numerous problems.

Have you ever called someone something on VN or in life that could be construed as a threat? If you have then in your definition and use of the word you are then a terrorist.

Regardless of the splitting of hairs here...it is deplorable how the christian kids reacted and they should be punished at the very least by their parents. I am sure that the local government also has some charges waiting. BUT I do not want to live in a country where kids are defined as "Terrorists" because of these situations.

Also it ultimately should come down to a state decision first.
 
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OsbourneBROS83 said:
There are many different definitions of Terrorism and none are systematically accepted. Even the federal and state governments all have competeing definitions of terrorism. More to the point though, think of the precedent that referring to incidents such as these are terrorism would set. This would create numerous problems.

Have you ever called someone something on VN or in life that could be construed as a threat? If you have then in your definition and use of the word you are then a terrorist.

Regardless of the splitting of hairs here...it is deplorable how the christian kids reacted and they should be punished at the very least by their parents. I am sure that the local government also has some charges waiting. BUT I do not want to live in a country where kids are defined as "Terrorists" because of these situations.

Also it ultimately should come down to a state decision first.
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There were massive amounts of adults on Twitter calling her names and threatening her, too. It's pretty deplorable.
 
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VOLatile said:
There were massive amounts of adults on Twitter calling her names and threatening her, too. It's pretty deplorable.
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I can definitely agree here that that sort of behaviour is deplorable. There is no argument to be made on that point.

The adults are not terrorists either though
 
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VOLatile said:
There were massive amounts of adults on Twitter calling her names and threatening her, too. It's pretty deplorable.
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you're using 'adults' loosely. Reminds me of all the fb msgs about Menards (?) pulling ads from that Muslims in America show.
 
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Panthro said:
These people represent Christianity as much as Jerry Sandusky represents college football.
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A very small percent of peolpe who call themselves Christians are actually Christians.
It's just a name of a religion they claim to be a part of because Grandpa was a deacon at the church or Uncle Johnny is a preacher.
 
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If we just ban public schools and turn to a system where private schools are publicly funded then we could avoid all this.
 
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OsbourneBROS83 said:
I can definitely agree here that that sort of behaviour is deplorable. There is no argument to be made on that point.

The adults are not terrorists either though
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With so many apparent definitions of terrorism we could argue the semantics all day. Of course these people will not be tried in court as terrorist, nor do I even believe they should be.

Seems to be that the difference in terrorism and bullying is politics. The OED defines terrorism as: the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Now, whether religion is a political element or not is up for argument. It has incredible sway in the political arena, so I'd say it falls in line with the pursuit of political aims. Now, do I believe it should? No and if it didn't then that would kill my argument for the terrorism label and I would concede that's this case is just bullying in the name of religion.
 
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VOLatile said:
Private schools, publicly funded? Wouldn't that make them public schools then?
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No. Public schools are public schools because they are publicly administered. A business that takes public funds in the form of subsidies or bailouts is not a public business. It's still private.
 
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