Atheist girl gets death threats at school

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BigPapaVol said:
they were pathetic and likely massively exaggerated. Attention whores, like the gal in question, are very unlikely to ever limit the story for the news to anything akin to reality.
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Not massively exaggerated at all. Just check the Twitter timeline for all the information you need.
 
#77
#77
VOLatile said:
It's terrorism, by definition. The bully is a terrorist, also. By attempting to install fear into another human being either by violence, or the threat of, then it's terrorism. Fairly simple.
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Take it to the court of law and I don't see that charge standing up. I don't think your argument that it is terrorism is valid because Webster's definition of the word is not the issue. The issue when you talk about terrorism is the crime of terrorism. And crimes are dealt with in the courts, not dictionaries. Do you think a charge including terrorism would stand up against said "bully"?
 
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EnglewoodVol said:
Take it to the court of law and I don't see that charge standing up. I don't think your argument that it is terrorism is valid because Webster's definition of the word is not the issue. The issue when you talk about terrorism is the crime of terrorism. And crimes are dealt with in the courts, not dictionaries. Do you think a charge including terrorism would stand up against said "bully"?
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Read the whole thread. Kthnx.
 
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EnglewoodVol said:
I know you said they shouldn't be charged, but I'm asking if he/she was charged, do you think it would stand? Did you cover that or did I miss it?
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Didn't cover that one. I don't think they should be charged so I'd reason that it wouldn't stand. However, that's just my opinion and I am not a jury or judge.

Is terrorism strictly defined by the law containing action or could words/threats be considered terrorism in the eyes of the law?
 
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TennesseeOrange said:
No kidding. I honestly just want a case citation.

(1) Was the First Amendment incorporated to the states under the due process clause of the 14th amendment?
(hint: 330 U.S. 1)

(2) Is a banner with a christian prayer an endorsement of religion?
(Hint: don't care to research).

(3) Is KidB the greatest human being of all time?
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(1) Basically the entire bill of rights has been applied to the states via the due process clausse of the 14th amdt. The 9th and 10th haven't because it would be nonsensical.

(2) Probably. Analogize to this case.

McCreary County v. American Civil Liberties Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(3) Arguably
 
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nbakerld said:
No. Public schools are public schools because they are publicly administered. A business that takes public funds in the form of subsidies or bailouts is not a public business. It's still private.
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Legally speaking, it'd still be considered a public school. The state action requirement would be met. You could call it a private school, but it would be a private school in name only.
 
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kidbourbon said:
Legally speaking, it'd still be considered a public school. The state action requirement would be met. You could call it a private school, but it would be a private school in name only.
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I don't understand your point. What does it mean to be legally considered a public school? What are the ramifications? I only care that the administration function privately. That's my point.
 
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VOLatile said:
Hearsay? No, check again. They were direct messages to her Twitter accounts from people all over the world threatening her.
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Technically hearsay, but almost certainly admissible under a hearsay exclusion or exception.

Hearsay in United States law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unless you already understand the hearsay rule, you won't understand the hearsay rule after reading the wiki page. It's actually somewhat conceptually challenging.
 
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nbakerld said:
I don't understand your point. What does it mean to be legally considered a public school? What are the ramifications? I only care that the administration function privately. That's my point.
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A private school isn't a government actor and so certain constitutional provisions are not applicable to them. To state differently, various constitutional provisions apply not to private citizens or entities, but to the feds and the states.

So, if I wanted to, I could start a "whites only" club. Not illegal.

But then if my club started taking government funding, I might no longer be considered a private club, and so I could no longer discriminate.

That's what I was getting at.

State actor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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#88
kidbourbon said:
A private school isn't a government actor and so certain constitutional provisions are not applicable to them. To state differently, various constitutional provisions apply not to private citizens or entities, but to the feds and the states.

So, if I wanted to, I could start a "whites only" club. Not illegal.

But then if my club started taking government funding, I might no longer be considered a private club, and so I could no longer discriminate.

That's what I was getting at.

State actor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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So what about BYU and Notre Dame? They accept government money, and clearly favor their religions.
 
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nbakerld said:
So what about BYU and Notre Dame? They accept government money, and clearly favor their religions.
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The money that they accepted would need to be entangled with the favoritism or promotion of the religion for there to be an establishment clause violation.. I quickly looked for a case on point, but I couldn't find one...at least not quickly. I'm sure there are a couple that speak to this point, though.
 
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#91
So they just take the money that is given to them from the government and allocate it toward items that are deemed non-religious, i.e., their campus police?
 
#92
#92
VOLatile said:
So they just take the money that is given to them from the government and allocate it toward items that are deemed non-religious, i.e., their campus police?
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Those MFers tried to ticket me for riding a longboard in the street saying it doesn't have a turn signal. How stupid is that? Did he just make it up on the spot?
 
#93
#93
nbakerld said:
Those MFers tried to ticket me for riding a longboard in the street saying it doesn't have a turn signal. How stupid is that? Did he just make it up on the spot?
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What do they do about bikes? I mean, how can the Mormon kids go door-to-door on their bikes and not get tickets?
 
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VOLatile said:
What do they do about bikes? I mean, how can the Mormon kids go door-to-door on their bikes and not get tickets?
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That's what I was arguing. I see bikes everywhere and they don't have turn signals. I had been told I couldn't ride on the sidewalk earlier that week by campus police, and then got stopped for riding on the street. I was like, why didn't the other guy tell me that I just can't ride around campus, period?
 
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VOLatile said:
Didn't cover that one. I don't think they should be charged so I'd reason that it wouldn't stand. However, that's just my opinion and I am not a jury or judge.

Is terrorism strictly defined by the law containing action or could words/threats be considered terrorism in the eyes of the law?
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I don't know how the law is defined. I'd guess that words/threats would be pooled into a phrase like "intent to commit" terrorism, which I think would not make it terrorism. I think of it this way, If Bin Laden would have made an announcement a week before 9/11 saying what he was going to do...would just that announcement be terrorism?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
they were pathetic and likely massively exaggerated. Attention whores, like the gal in question, are very unlikely to ever limit the story for the news to anything akin to reality.
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You appear to be every bit as sold on the notion that she's just an attention whore just as some people are sold on the notion that this girl is being terrorized.

Seems ignorant for both parties. None of you know the real story.
 
#97
#97
This story amuses me.

In regards to this situation, it seems the Atheist girl is godless in ideology; yet these Christians are godless in practice.
 
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