Atheists & Spiritualists = Equal Fools

[Tenacious D]

I get tired of hearing the same babble between atheists and spiritualists, especially when you consider how closely related they are in both their improvable conclusions and arrogantly presumed approaches.

And the most absurd comminality which they both share equally with one another is this: Despite all of the blustering on both sides, the preaching, the recitation of evolutionary facts, the puffery of it all - neither can prove themselves right. That makes them two fools cut from the same piece of insecure cloth IMO, JMHO.

Now, hear that closely - neither can prove themselves RIGHT. Oh, they've got the market cornered on proving the other side WRONG, but none can effectively reach an ultimate and inarguable conclusion (this despite all of their bespoken nonsense about faith or scientific theory and empirical proof) to which most would agree with any certainty.

Don't agree? Fair enough, please do so here. All I ask is that you begin your retort with what proves your position to be RIGHT, and which you believe can be logically defended against all reasonable scrutiny.

Here's what i think: Neither group can effectively do so, and they know it.

So, if you can't -then please, just shut up until you can.

Instead, I think thay they simply like to argue, hoping to appear somehow superior - all the while knowing that neither they nor anyone else will ever really know the true answer.

 

[miamicane]

so why is it ok to teach evolution in school?

 

[utvolpj]

so why is it ok to teach evolution in school?

you think that is limited to one side?

 

[Tenacious D]

so why is it ok to teach evolution in school?

That's not the question.

Are you an atheist or a spiritualist (i.e. Christian, Hindu, Muslim, etc.)?

Prove that your belief - whichever it is - is the correct one.
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[BeecherVol]

Is that all ya got.

 

[Tenacious D]

you think that is limited to one side?

PJ - do you belong to either camp?

Do you believe that the either side can effectively prove their position to be true - meaning, empirically true.

If not, why waste time arguing it?
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[VOLatile]

PJ - do you belong to either camp?

Do you believe that the either side can effectively prove their position to be true - meaning, empirically true.

If not, why waste time arguing it?
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Scientific terms. I think you know what's true. eace2:

 

[Tenacious D]

Is that all ya got.

Which side are you on?

And for the record: by "atheist" I mean anyone who fails to believe in an outside deitistic force in the universe or beyond.
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[utvolpj]

more in the middle and I don't think either side can be proven. I don't usually spend time debating either side since I can't even win the argument in my head

 

[lumberjack4]

I fail to see the point of this thread. It sounds like you're saying don't question my belief because I'm to ignorant and insecure to defend it.

 

[VOLatile]

I fail to see the point of this thread. It sounds like you're saying don't question my belief because I'm to ignorant and insecure to defend it.

More along the lines of "don't bicker about religion because I don't want to read about it." Or that's what I took away from it, anyways.

 

[Tenacious D]

Scientific terms. I think you know what's true. eace2:

Sorry - let me be clear:

I think that both sides are not only comprised entirely of fools, but insecure ones with too much time on their hands, as well.

I say that all either can do is attempt to disprove the opposition, but neither can effectively prove their own.

And this is neither intended toward you, specifically, nor as pointedly as it may appear at first read.
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[Tenacious D]

more in the middle and I don't think either side can be proven. I don't usually spend time debating either side since I can't even win the argument in my head

Perhaps the most honest thing I've ever read on here - and one which I bet captures the vast majority of humanity, as well.

So, why can't these other groups do the same, in your opinion?
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[BeecherVol]

Which side are you on?

And for the record: by "atheist" I mean anyone who fails to believe in an outside deitistic force in the universe or beyond.
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I would be the one who falls outside of an atheist.:hi:

 

[Tenacious D]

I fail to see the point of this thread. It sounds like you're saying don't question my belief because I'm to ignorant and insecure to defend it.

No, I meant - I get tired of the sides bickering about why the other side is wrong, when neither can effectively prove that their own position is ultimately correct.
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[Tenacious D]

More along the lines of "don't bicker about religion because I don't want to read about it." Or that's what I took away from it, anyways.

Close - but what compels either side to incessantly and hotly debate an issue which they each know can never be effectively substantiated.

Its like they have a need to show themselves as more pious (spiritualists) or intelligent (atheists) than the other side - and that's squarely rooted in insecurity.
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[Tenacious D]

I would be the one who falls outside of an atheist.:hi:

So, you're a spiritualist?

How can you prove that to be true?
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[lumberjack4]

No, I meant - I get tired of the sides bickering about why the other side is wrong, when neither can effectively prove that their own position is ultimately correct.
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Isn't that kinda the point of a message board though? Two sides offer an opinion and their "facts", call each other a few names, and move on to the next topic. While I am rarely converted on any topic I read about in a message board, I constantly learn things. Debate is good if for no other purpose than it forces you to learn more about the things you believe in. If you're never questioned about something, you oftentimes fail to study it.

 

[Tenacious D]

Isn't that kinda the point of a message board though? Two sides offer an opinion and their "facts", call each other a few names, and move on to the next topic. While I am rarely converted on any topic I read about in a message board, I constantly learn things. Debate is good if for no other purpose than it forces you to learn more about the things you believe in. If you're never questioned about something, you oftentimes fail to study it.

I see your point - but I'm talking about society, in general, and not just here or message boards in general.

And these "debates" are never a rational exchange of ideas, or for very long. They always devolve into the "You're wrong!" nonsense, which I believe is brought about by their insecurities in failing to support their own beliefs (instead of simply refuting others, which is far easier).
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[VOLatile]

Isn't that kinda the point of a message board though? Two sides offer an opinion and their "facts", call each other a few names, and move on to the next topic. While I am rarely converted on any topic I read about in a message board, I constantly learn things. Debate is good if for no other purpose than it forces you to learn more about the things you believe in. If you're never questioned about something, you oftentimes fail to study it.

I am constantly presented with new information on here. Sometimes I sway my position. Hardly ever about religion, though...

Beechervol is about the most fun to debate with. He probably knows me best on here, I guess. He's constantly teaching me things and answering my questions I pose in the religion debate thread. They cause me to delve further into thought.

I could tone down my anti-theistic opinions, but how else would I get my jollies off? h34r:

 

[StepCross]

...nor as pointedly as it may appear at first read.
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The word "fool" is not supposed to be pointed?

 

[VOLatile]

The word "fool" is not supposed to be pointed?

He may not have meant it the same way that joevol uses it.

 

[BeecherVol]

So, you're a spiritualist?

How can you prove that to be true?
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Yes, I am a God fearing/Bible believing christian.

When I look at everything around me, I don't get a sense of randomness being the instigator. That leads me to believe that there is purpose to me, and everything around me. If I believe that, there is something out there bigger than me that has a purpose.

 

[BeecherVol]

To take that a step futher.

I am instructed by what I believe to "spread the word". Being mute is not an option. Some respect that and discuss, some get ill, some ignore. All of those responses are expected.

By "spread", that does not mean by force, when it is rejected.

 

[IPorange]

Sorry, thought forums were a place of discussion and discourse. My bad D.
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