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Vercingetorix said:
The wild card already killed all that. The Marlins won two World Series without ever winning their division. You start letting losers into the crapshoot that is the baseball postseason, sometimes they're going to win.

I'm in favor of anything that punishes wild card teams. Win your damn division, like you had to back when men played the game.
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You punish one of the teams, but what about all the times the worse wild-card wins the play-in? You let an even worse wild-card team in, that would have lost in a 5 or 7 game series, but happened to get one good game.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
You punish one of the teams, but what about all the times the worse wild-card wins the play-in? You let an even worse wild-card team in, that would have lost in a 5 or 7 game series, but happened to get one good game.
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Oh, I'd punish whichever wild card team wins the play-in game too. I wouldn't let them have a full set of home games afterwards.

Baseball is very different from other sports in that it's so random. Great teams still lose 40 percent of the time; awful teams win 40 percent of the time. There's a strong clustering around .500 -- which means any postseason based on a group of short series is already practically a roll of the dice. If you're going to cheapen it by letting wild card teams in -- and obviously that genie is never going back in the bottle -- then it somehow needs to be balanced out by providing some kind of competitive disadvantage to them once they're in the tournament.
 
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I actually like the idea of having two wild-card teams and forcing them to play a one-game play-in better than I do one wild card team only, because that'll screw up the pitching rotation in the next round for the winner.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If the Hawks somehow manage to pull out a win in Boston tonight (which, naturally, I don't expect), then I'll have two teams playing a Game 7 on Saturday. My head might explode.
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Oh boy, yeah I can hardly even watch game 7's. I get way too animated and emotional. The good thing about Sunday when the Griz play game 7 is that it will be a 12 o clock tip off, not as much gameday suspense.

Were you a Hawks fan back in the Wilkins, Kevin Willis, Mookie Blalock days?
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Were you a Hawks fan back in the Wilkins, Kevin Willis, Mookie Blalock days?
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Somewhat -- they used to cross-promote them with the Braves on TBS, so I'd watch some of their games when I was a kid up in Knoxville. (With Skip Caray doing play by play on basketball, even.) I started following them a lot more closely once I moved down here, which was in 1995. Mookie was still here, but it was mostly the Steve Smith era then.

So at least I used to watch Dominique play on TV pretty regularly back in his prime. It would be a bummer to a Hawks fan now and not even have had that.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Somewhat -- they used to cross-promote them with the Braves on TBS, so I'd watch some of their games when I was a kid up in Knoxville. (With Skip Caray doing play by play on basketball, even.) I started following them a lot more closely once I moved down here, which was in 1995. Mookie was still here, but it was mostly the Steve Smith era then.

So at least I used to watch Dominique play on TV pretty regularly back in his prime. It would be a bummer to a Hawks fan now and not even have had that.
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Steve Smith was a helluva player.. always seemed to fly under the radar.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Steve Smith was a helluva player.. always seemed to fly under the radar.
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Steve Smith vs. Joe Johnson is a really good example of what personality will do for a player. Every Hawks fan I knew liked Smith a lot and thinks back about him fondly. Joe Johnson's a better player, but every Hawks fan I know is at best indifferent about him, with a lot of them actively detesting the guy -- and that was true even before his enormous, team-killing contract. Smith is a likeable guy and easy to root for; Johnson is (on camera, at least), a sullen and taciturn guy, which makes it seem like he's going through the motions. Stats-wise, you want Johnson, but I'd take Steve Smith back over him in two seconds.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Oh boy, yeah I can hardly even watch game 7's. I get way too animated and emotional. The good thing about Sunday when the Griz play game 7 is that it will be a 12 o clock tip off, not as much gameday suspense.
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I love the suspense. It's almost as much fun as the games themselves. The issue with early starts for me is that if you lose, the rest of the day sucks because it's hard to get your mind off the game.

If it's a late game, and you are either (a) already drunk, or (b) can just go to sleep afterwards, you wake up the following morning and have pretty much forgotten about it.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
I love the suspense. It's almost as much fun as the games themselves. The issue with early starts for me is that if you lose, the rest of the day sucks because it's hard to get your mind off the game.

If it's a late game, and you are either (a) already drunk, or (b) can just go to sleep afterwards, you wake up the following morning and have pretty much forgotten about it.
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That is a good point. I like the suspense when I am actually going to the game and can pre-party or tailgate.
 
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I like the suspense for baseball and basketball game 7s. I hate it for hockey game 7s. Not because I care any more (at least than baseball), but because the nature of the sport is such a freaking emotional roller coaster where you almost never see the gut punch more than half a second before it comes. I'm already a little sick thinking about how nerve-wracking Saturday night's Caps game is going to be.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I like the suspense for baseball and basketball game 7s. I hate it for hockey game 7s. Not because I care any more (at least than baseball), but because the nature of the sport is such a freaking emotional roller coaster where you almost never see the gut punch more than half a second before it comes. I'm already a little sick thinking about how nerve-wracking Saturday night's Caps game is going to be.
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This.

Exactly right. Playoff hockey is a bag over your head punch in the nuts when you least expect it. I am still ANGRY with the Predators outcome. That was gut wrenching.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I like the suspense for baseball and basketball game 7s. I hate it for hockey game 7s. Not because I care any more (at least than baseball), but because the nature of the sport is such a freaking emotional roller coaster where you almost never see the gut punch more than half a second before it comes. I'm already a little sick thinking about how nerve-wracking Saturday night's Caps game is going to be.
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I was in DC last night and thought of you. I almost considered paying the $140 for a game ticket, but decided against it.
 
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$140? Wow. Support for the Caps is indeed way higher than when I lived up there.

Of course, when I lived up there they played in a crappy barn out in suburban Maryland rather than a nice new building in Chinatown. That's got a lot to do with it.

Great game last night. A two goal lead made it almost enjoyable to watch.
 
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