Atlanta Braves Thread - Francisco Cabrera edition

[Scotty's Flat Top]

I turned to ESPN2 and they had a Cornhole Championship tournament going on. Scotty or Brown playing? I did see some Tennessee hats in the crowd.

Those guys are ringers, instantly excludes Brown.

 

[Regulator]

The New Orleans hate for the Falcons is real. Lol

 

[Wickman]

We have 8 spots left?

JJ
Quay
ITS
Tillman/Young
??
??
??
??

GLenn Beal

 

[Notorious B.E.N]

Those guys are ringers, instantly excludes Brown.

Lol


They were ringers, it was more rare for them to miss the hole than it was to make it.

 

[TBrown]

Those guys are ringers, instantly excludes Brown.

I will drive to middle tn to drop gloves on boards right now

 

[Regulator]

Lol


They were ringers, it was more rare for them to miss the hole than it was to make it.

There's a "twss" joke in there somewhere.

 

[TBrown]

GLenn Beal

Feels more uncertain than any NSD in recent memory. Could be great, might not be, who knows? Like 15 names for 4 spots ha

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

I will drive to middle tn to drop gloves on boards right now

lol ironically/randomly I had dream you and I were engaged in a slow pitch softball HR derby last night. We each got 3 pitches, and all of mine were like 9 feet over my head and yours right down the middle. I was pissed. Weird dream.

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

Lol


They were ringers, it was more rare for them to miss the hole than it was to make it.

those dudes are amazing, the world championship dart tourney is fun too.

 

[Wickman]

Feels more uncertain than any NSD in recent memory. Could be great, might not be, who knows? Like 15 names for 4 spots ha

It’s gonna be crazy. A lot of potential either way.

 

[Notorious B.E.N]

lol ironically/randomly I had dream you and I were engaged in a slow pitch softball HR derby last night. We each got 3 pitches, and all of mine were like 9 feet over my head and yours right down the middle. I was pissed. Weird dream.

1) Scotty's dreaming about Brown.

2) He rigs your dream cornhole game like he does fantasy football drafts?

 

[Notorious B.E.N]

those dudes are amazing, the world championship dart tourney is fun too.

I saw a preview of the dart championship Friday, looks like the crowd was insane, and the guys came out like pro wrestlers or something.

 

[TBrown]

lol ironically/randomly I had dream you and I were engaged in a slow pitch softball HR derby last night. We each got 3 pitches, and all of mine were like 9 feet over my head and yours right down the middle. I was pissed. Weird dream.

Lmao... Losers makes excuses, winners make it happen

 

[TBrown]

1) Scotty's dreaming about Brown.

2) He rigs your dream cornhole game like he does fantasy football drafts?

Living rent free in his head 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

1) Scotty's dreaming about Brown.

2) He rigs your dream cornhole game like he does fantasy football drafts?

God’s way of telling me to log out of the internet for a while

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

Living rent free in his head 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

I’ve owned you in so many arguments over the years my brain is reverse engineering itself in an effort to keep me humble.

 

[BigZiti09]

Guys - what am I missing with Jason Heyward? Why does he make the money he makes?

I'm listening to the talking chop podcast and they are talking about how he is was not a bust and I can see where they are saying that. He's still a good player but not what he was hoped to be. Like Scotty Hopson. Hopson was a really nice player but never lived up to his McD's AA hype.

But Heyward is not anything special and they are kinda defending his contract which has to be one of the worst in baseball. The guy is 6'5" 240 plays right field and has been in the league 8 years and he's got 115 homeruns. Career BA is .262.

He's not terrible but he's not even an all star. I mean he's Nick Markakis really.

The guys on the talking chop webcast keep talking about him having a 6wAR but I'm just thinking to myself that just makes me question that stat even more than I already do.

What am I missing?

 

[zjcvols]

Guys - what am I missing with Jason Heyward? Why does he make the money he makes?

I'm listening to the talking chop podcast and they are talking about how he is was not a bust and I can see where they are saying that. He's still a good player but not what he was hoped to be. Like Scotty Hopson. Hopson was a really nice player but never lived up to his McD's AA hype.

But Heyward is not anything special and they are kinda defending his contract which has to be one of the worst in baseball. The guy is 6'5" 240 plays right field and has been in the league 8 years and he's got 115 homeruns. Career BA is .262.

He's not terrible but he's not even an all star. I mean he's Nick Markakis really.

The guys on the talking chop webcast keep talking about him having a 6wAR but I'm just thinking to myself that just makes me question that stat even more than I already do.

What am I missing?

He’s the best defensive RF in the game and one of the best base runners in the game.

 

[BigZiti09]

He’s the best defensive RF in the game and one of the best base runners in the game.

$200m worth of rf defense and base running?

 

[zjcvols]

$200m worth of rf defense and base running?

No but that was before he was a solid offensive player. The last two years he hasn’t been been worth the contract

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

Z nailed it

 

[Vercingetorix]

$200m worth of rf defense and base running?

I have been following the development of modern baseball statistics ever since I ran across the 1984 Bill James Baseball Abstract in a Waldenbooks. At some point -- maybe 10 years ago? -- people abruptly shifted from "We're trying a bunch of different things with defensive statistics, but we've got a long way to go" to "We are absolutely sure that we can calculate defensive value down to the decimal point just like offensive value." It seemed like it happened overnight. And I am still skeptical.

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

I have been following the development of modern baseball statistics ever since I ran across the 1984 Bill James Baseball Abstract in a Waldenbooks. At some point -- maybe 10 years ago? -- people abruptly shifted from "We're trying a bunch of different things with defensive statistics, but we've got a long way to go" to "We are absolutely sure that we can calculate defensive value down to the decimal point just like offensive value." It seemed like it happened overnight. And I am still skeptical.

I think they’re pretty dang close to accurate. Strictly from an eye to metric comparison. Metrics tell me Andy Simmons is one of the best and Matt Kemp is one of the worst. Now there are cases where i think it devalues, like Freddie Freeman, but I could be a bias

 

[Vercingetorix]

I think they’re pretty dang close to accurate. Strictly from an eye to metric comparison. Metrics tell me Andy Simmons is one of the best and Matt Kemp is one of the worst. Now there are cases where i think it devalues, like Freddie Freeman, but I could be a bias

I agree that the stats do a good job of comparing who's good and who's bad. What I'm skeptical about is the part where they bridge it over directly into WAR. It may just be that I haven't read the article where someone lays it out persuasively.

 

[GAVol]

He’s the best defensive RF in the game and one of the best base runners in the game.

Yep.... People just have to come to terms with what he is; not what he looks like he could be. For the right price, most teams in MLB would love to have him in RF.