Atlanta Braves Thread (I HURT MYSELF TODAY TO SEE IF I STILL FEEL)

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Jeffrey Loria bought the Marlins in 2002 for $158M, got a brand new stadium paid for by taxpayers, generally ran the team like a total asshat while refusing to be competitive and is about to sell the team for $1.6B. What a time to be alive man


I'm doing too much. Gotta lay low and be dumber. Treat people worse. Etc etc
 
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TBrown said:
Jeffrey Loria bought the Marlins in 2002 for $158M, got a brand new stadium paid for by taxpayers, generally ran the team like a total asshat while refusing to be competitive and is about to sell the team for $1.6B. What a time to be alive man


I'm doing too much. Gotta lay low and be dumber. Treat people worse. Etc etc
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I'm in the wrong profession
 
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TBrown said:
Jeffrey Loria bought the Marlins in 2002 for $158M, got a brand new stadium paid for by taxpayers, generally ran the team like a total asshat while refusing to be competitive and is about to sell the team for $1.6B. What a time to be alive man


I'm doing too much. Gotta lay low and be dumber. Treat people worse. Etc etc
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Think you're doing just fine my man.
 
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Today in Knoxville Sports Radio:


Erik Ainge hates baseball because they make too much money. He also hates it because they aren't as tough anymore, such as being like Cal Ripken or running over catchers in all star games ending careers or because too many players go on the DL now. This is rich coming from Ainge, commenting about players toughness.

This guy has a three hour talk show about sports. I'm in the wrong profession.
 
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TBrown said:
Jeffrey Loria bought the Marlins in 2002 for $158M, got a brand new stadium paid for by taxpayers, generally ran the team like a total asshat while refusing to be competitive and is about to sell the team for $1.6B. What a time to be alive man


I'm doing too much. Gotta lay low and be dumber. Treat people worse. Etc etc
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Does that $1.6B include the stadium? I know the taxpayers paid for it, but does the city or the team actually own it now?
 
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zjcvols said:
Today in Knoxville Sports Radio:


Erik Ainge hates baseball because they make too much money. He also hates it because they aren't as tough anymore, such as being like Cal Ripken or running over catchers in all star games ending careers or because too many players go on the DL now.

This guy has a three hour talk show about sports. I'm in the wrong profession.
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I heard this too. I don't see how anyone about baseball's recent rule changes, and then immediately turn around and talk about much they love football, a sport that's been watered down infinitely more in the past decade in the name of player safety.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I heard this too. I don't see how anyone about baseball's recent rule changes, and then immediately turn around and talk about much they love football, a sport that's been watered down infinitely more in the past decade in the name of player safety.
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I find it rich that this is coming from Ainge considering how he dealt with pain and him criticizing people for their toughness.

(To clarify: I understand about addiction and everything and not trying to throw Ainge under the bus for that, I just figured a guy would be more understanding of injuries considering what he went through.)
 
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I think baseball needs to stop trying to cater to people who aren't fans. You will always have people that love baseball. TV ratings are very good. You have plenty of money. Improve the game sure but don't try and change it completely just to cater to people who won't watch anyways.
 
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zjcvols said:
I think baseball needs to stop trying to cater to people who aren't fans. You will always have people that love baseball. TV ratings are very good. You have plenty of money. Improve the game sure but don't try and change it completely just to cater to people who won't watch anyways.
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I cannot agree with this more.

Most if not all of these ideas to speed up or "improve" the game come from people who don't even really like baseball. A lot of them want to both speed the game up and increase offense, which are of course opposition to each other.

And for all the hand-wringing about the length of games, NFL and college football games for the last few years have average lengths longer than MLB games. Granted, people have started complaining about the length of football games more recently too, but "pace of play" has been an issue in baseball for seemingly forever. Why can't they just admit they don't like baseball and don't watch?

I don't want to see them cater to a group of "fans" whose attention span is so short that they will only watch if there is a HR every other at bat and you can only take 5 seconds between pitches (in exaggerating but you get the point).
 
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05_never_again said:
I cannot agree with this more.

Most if not all of these ideas to speed up or "improve" the game come from people who don't even really like baseball. A lot of them want to both speed the game up and increase offense, which are of course opposition to each other.

And for all the hand-wringing about the length of games, NFL and college football games for the last few years have average lengths longer than MLB games. Granted, people have started complaining about the length of football games more recently too, but "pace of play" has been an issue in baseball for seemingly forever. Why can't they just admit they don't like baseball and don't watch?

I don't want to see them cater to a group of "fans" whose attention span is so short that they will only watch if there is a HR every other at bat and you can only take 5 seconds between pitches (in exaggerating but you get the point).
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I read a fantastic article that part of baseball's allure is that it is the one sport where you can do other things while having the game on. I like hockey but you have to keep your eyes on it the entire time or you will miss it.

In high school/college I would do my homework when the baseball game was on. It was perfect to have something on like baseball in the background while working in homework.
 
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zjcvols said:
I read a fantastic article that part of baseball's allure is that it is the one sport where you can do other things while having the game on. I like hockey but you have to keep your eyes on it the entire time or you will miss it.

In high school/college I would do my homework when the baseball game was on. It was perfect to have something on like baseball in the background while working in homework.
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The only pace of play tweak I would like to see is possibly some experimentation with limiting, or at least speeding up pitching changes. If teams are going to use 5-7 pitchers a game, it might be nice to have them brought to the mound on a golf cart and give them a VERY limited number of warmup pitches once they get there. That's what the bullpen is for.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
The only pace of play tweak I would like to see is possibly some experimentation with limiting, or at least speeding up pitching changes. If teams are going to use 5-7 pitchers a game, it might be nice to have them brought to the mound on a golf cart and give them a VERY limited number of warmup pitches once they get there. That's what the bullpen is for.
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I agree. And that is fair. You do nees to adjust for where the game has headed. I just get mad at these millenials (yes I am one) who hate baseball and their main complaint is it is too slow when even if the game was two hours they would not watch. And then MLB tries to completely alter their game.
 
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zjcvols said:
I read a fantastic article that part of baseball's allure is that it is the one sport where you can do other things while having the game on. I like hockey but you have to keep your eyes on it the entire time or you will miss it.

In high school/college I would do my homework when the baseball game was on. It was perfect to have something on like baseball in the background while working in homework.
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I can't exactly figure out why baseball has a problem attracting younger fans, and the point you made about doing other things while the game is on is part of the reason why. Aren't millennials supposed to be all about trying to do a bunch of stuff at the same time (e.g., have the TV on, be on your laptop with 7 tabs open in a web browser, be texting people on your phone, etc.)? Baseball is a sport tailor made for being watched like that.

They'll say stuff like the games are too long, but I think that is BS because CFB and NFL games are longer. They say there are too many games, but the schedule has been at 162 games since 1962 and was 154 games before that (back to 1920), so that sounds like BS too; plus there are NBA games on every night and it doesn't hurt its popularity. They say there is too much dead time between plays, but the average NFL game has only 10-11 minutes of actual game action. Baseball probably has less, but I bet it is not dramatically so.

What exactly is the reason? Is baseball just not culturally "hip" enough? Does the league not do a good enough job of marketing its stars, of which there are plenty? Does the game not play well on social media for some reason? Does it have the feel of a game from a bygone era? If so, why?

I say this as a millennial myself but I can't figure out.
 
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zjcvols said:
I think baseball needs to stop trying to cater to people who aren't fans. You will always have people that love baseball. TV ratings are very good. You have plenty of money. Improve the game sure but don't try and change it completely just to cater to people who won't watch anyways.
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☝🏼Yes 👆🏼☝🏼Yes👆🏼☝🏼Yes👆🏼
 
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05_never_again said:
I can't exactly figure out why baseball has a problem attracting younger fans, and the point you made about doing other things while the game is on is part of the reason why. Aren't millennials supposed to be all about trying to do a bunch of stuff at the same time (e.g., have the TV on, be on your laptop with 7 tabs open in a web browser, be texting people on your phone, etc.)? Baseball is a sport tailor made for being watched like that.

They'll say stuff like the games are too long, but I think that is BS because CFB and NFL games are longer. They say there are too many games, but the schedule has been at 162 games since 1962 and was 154 games before that (back to 1920), so that sounds like BS too; plus there are NBA games on every night and it doesn't hurt its popularity. They say there is too much dead time between plays, but the average NFL game has only 10-11 minutes of actual game action. Baseball probably has less, but I bet it is not dramatically so.

What exactly is the reason? Is baseball just not culturally "hip" enough? Does the league not do a good enough job of marketing its stars, of which there are plenty? Does the game not play well on social media for some reason? Does it have the feel of a game from a bygone era? If so, why?

I say this as a millennial myself but I can't figure out.
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I think baseball's popularity has not wained. It just has not grown like the other two sports. They routinely beat out the NBA for local ratings and while national ratings are not great compared to other sports they are still pretty solid.

I think it is a multitude of things why baseball cannot attract a younger following:

1) I do not believe that baseball embraced the social media aspect of our culture like they should have and that put them behind. That has incredibly helped the NBA.

2) Baseball is a thinking man's game. Part of the fun of watching the game is guessing where a pitcher is going and how a hitter will adjust. Just not suited for this generation.

3) Baseball doesnt have a lot of action which does not help in today's day.

4) Baseball does not have that cool factor and I personally (me and Brown disagree here) don't believe baseball has done a good job promoting young stars. I think they relied too much on the old guard and when they went away did not position itself for new stars. Basketball had this problem after Jordan.

5) Sabermetrics intimdate prospective fans. They see the statcast or WAR or DRS or BAPIP and hear about that and they do not want to be dumb so they just stay away from becoming ingrained with it.
 
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I don't know where i stand on this argument, i love the Braves and watch them almost every night that i can. I don't watch other teams unless it's something like a record breaking performance or the end of a no hitter or something. I only watched the end of the 9th and the extra inning in game 7 of the World Series. I'll keep watching the Braves regardless of how fast or slow the game is, game length doesn't matter to me at all. Doesn't matter what they do to the game ot probably won't change my viewing habits.
 
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Bryce's 2015 year was the best since Pujols though.

I would take Trout still
 
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Just went through Pujols' mid 2000's run and forgot how good he was
 
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