Atlanta Braves Thread (I HURT MYSELF TODAY TO SEE IF I STILL FEEL)

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tonybologna said:
Bold above. That's not what I meant. I said his 4th pitch in which he just added last season is a changeup that's thrown 15% of the time. Not that all 4 pitches are thrown 15% of the time.

Having 4 solid pitches doesn't automatically make you a starter either guys. Where's that assumed rule coming from? There are quite a few good relievers that have 4 pitches but are pitching put of the bullpen in both the MLB & minors. Thanks.
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http://www.brooksbaseball.net/

Tony, here is a website that has an extensive amount of PitchFX data, I bet you that you cannot find me a single pitcher on there that uses his "4th pitch" 15% of the time
 
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volsandpirates said:
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/

Tony, here is a website that has an extensive amount of PitchFX data, I bet you that you cannot find me a single pitcher on there that uses his "4th pitch" 15% of the time
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I'm saying that my cous Devan Watts used his 4th pitch the last season right at 15% of the time. He even told me that over the phone. What do you think the normal % is for a pitcher's 4th pitch? If you didived them if half it would be 25% so you're telling me it's not possible that a pitcher can't throw that 4th pitch 15% of the time? It's very possible.

Here's an example:

35% 4-seam fastball
30% slider
20% curveball
15% changeup

What does that add up to? 100% of their pitches & a 4th pitch at 15%. the 4th pitch will in almost all cases be the lowest % thrown except in certain pitchers but not many.

It's a very possible scenario for any pitcher. Are you saying it's a lower or higher number than 15% for that 4th pitch that is common? Thanks.
 
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tonybologna said:
I'm saying that my cous Devan Watts used his 4th pitch the last season right at 15% of the time. He even told me that over the phone. What do you think the normal % is for a pitcher's 4th pitch? If you didived them if half it would be 25% so you're telling me it's not possible that a pitcher can't throw that 4th pitch 15% of the time? It's very possible.

Here's an example:

35% 4-seam fastball
30% slider
20% curveball
15% changeup

What does that add up to? 100% of their pitches & a 4th pitch at 15%. the 4th pitch will in almost all cases be the lowest % thrown except in certain pitchers but not many.

It's a very possible scenario for any pitcher. Are you saying it's a lower or higher number than 15% for that 4th pitch that is common? Thanks.
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Nope, it is not very possible. Let's just take a few examples from that link that I posted you mainly focusing on the top relievers and starters


Relievers

Andrew Miller: 4-Seam: 41.86%, Slider: 51.84%
Kenley Jansen: Cutter: 92.31%, Slider: 5.58%, Sinker: 2.10%
Zach Britton: Sinker: 94.35% Curve: 5.65%
Dellin Betances: 4Seam: 49.49, Curve: 50.51
Kelvin Herrera: 4Seam:59.31, Change:23.53, Curve: 13.24, Slider: 2.94, Sinker: .49

Starters

Kershaw: 4Seam:51.13, Slider: 27.22, Curve: 14.98
Julio Teheran: 4Seam: 49.90, Sinker: 8.40, Change: 8.87, Slider: 25.26, Curve: 7.93
Jake Arrietta: 4Seam: 12.23, Sinker: 44.96, Change: 3.24, Slider: 28.42, Curve: 11.15
Madison Bumgarner: 4Seam: 43.98, Change: 5, Curve: 22.96, Cutter: 28.32,

As you can see it is not easy to find a reliever that even throws four pitches much less one that hits 15% with his fourth pitch, and even hard to find a starter that uses more than three pitches over 15%
 
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tonybologna said:
I'm saying that my cous Devan Watts used his 4th pitch the last season right at 15% of the time. He even told me that over the phone. What do you think the normal % is for a pitcher's 4th pitch? If you didived them if half it would be 25% so you're telling me it's not possible that a pitcher can't throw that 4th pitch 15% of the time? It's very possible.

Here's an example:

35% 4-seam fastball
30% slider
20% curveball
15% changeup

What does that add up to? 100% of their pitches & a 4th pitch at 15%. the 4th pitch will in almost all cases be the lowest % thrown except in certain pitchers but not many.

It's a very possible scenario for any pitcher. Are you saying it's a lower or higher number than 15% for that 4th pitch that is common? Thanks.
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this is like staring at a bug zapper.
 
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TBrown said:
Hey bologna, I forgot more baseball than you know and I have an eidetic memory. Thanks!
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OK TBrown! :good!:I don't know how old you are but I just turned 46 years old & if you have forgot more baseball than I know then you must be a pretty old pup plus I've followed baseball & most other sports for over 40 years now! :p:p
 
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tonybologna said:
I'm saying that my cous Devan Watts used his 4th pitch the last season right at 15% of the time. He even told me that over the phone. What do you think the normal % is for a pitcher's 4th pitch? If you didived them if half it would be 25% so you're telling me it's not possible that a pitcher can't throw that 4th pitch 15% of the time? It's very possible.

Here's an example:

35% 4-seam fastball
30% slider
20% curveball
15% changeup

What does that add up to? 100% of their pitches & a 4th pitch at 15%. the 4th pitch will in almost all cases be the lowest % thrown except in certain pitchers but not many.

It's a very possible scenario for any pitcher. Are you saying it's a lower or higher number than 15% for that 4th pitch that is common? Thanks.
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Your cousin is also surprised that he's not on the 40-man roster after 23 innings in the low minors so I doubt he's the sharpest knife in the drawer.
 
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