Atlanta Braves Thread - The "John Hart/ John Coppollela da real MVPs" Edition

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bleedorange0037 said:
He's been awful for most of his tenure, but I'm not sure how he could handle the current situation any differently. If they're going to start suspending coaches, QB's or disqualifying teams from the Super Bowl like some people want to see, they better make damn sure they've got some concrete proof of intentional wrongdoing, not just hearsay and circumstantial BS.
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11 out of 12 significantly deflated balls is not hearsay or circumstantial BS. I don't know what the appropriate penalty is, but there is physical evidence that the Patriots broke the rules.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
He's been awful for most of his tenure, but I'm not sure how he could handle the current situation any differently. If they're going to start suspending coaches, QB's or disqualifying teams from the Super Bowl like some people want to see, they better make damn sure they've got some concrete proof of intentional wrongdoing, not just hearsay and circumstantial BS.
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Well considering that both Brady and Belichick stated in their press conferences on Thursday, 4 days after everything came out, that neither one of them had even been contacted by anyone from the league, there are probably a few things he could have done differently.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
11 out of 12 significantly deflated balls is not hearsay or circumstantial BS. I don't know what the appropriate penalty is, but there is physical evidence that the Patriots broke the rules.
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I'm just saying that after the year the NFL has had from a PR standpoint, they can't afford to dish out punishments and then after the investigation wraps up weeks or months from now have it determined they don't have any hard evidence that the Pats intentionally tried to break the rules.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I'm just saying that after the year the NFL has had from a PR standpoint, they can't afford to dish out punishments and then after the investigation wraps up weeks or months from now have it determined they don't have any hard evidence that the Pats intentionally tried to break the rules.
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How do you prove what's in the heart of man? The balls were underinflated. The Patriots broke the rules.

I'm open to the argument that this isn't that big a deal and shouldn't be punished that harshly. I'm not open to the argument that this is just a misunderstanding or a coincidence. This is not a legal case or a capital crime, so we don't have to throw common sense out the window.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
How do you prove what's in the heart of man? The balls were underinflated. The Patriots broke the rules.

I'm open to the argument that this isn't that big a deal and shouldn't be punished that harshly. I'm not open to the argument that this is just a misunderstanding or a coincidence. This is not a legal case or a capital crime, so we don't have to throw our common sense out the window.
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I don't think it's a misunderstanding either, I just don't think the NFL is going to lay out the sort of nuclear punishment that some are calling for without some concrete evidence that Brady or Belichick personally ordered the balls to be deflated.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I don't think it's a misunderstanding either, I just don't think the NFL is going to lay out the sort of nuclear punishment that some are calling for without some concrete evidence that Brady or Belichick personally ordered the balls to be deflated.
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Ask Sean Payton if concrete evidence is needed to get suspended for an entire year? Sure seems like people were ignorant here too.
 
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NochNoch said:
Ask Sean Payton if concrete evidence is needed to get suspended for an entire year? Sure seems like people were ignorant here too.
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That's a valid point, but I wonder if Goodell truly has the balls to trot the "Ignorance is not an excuse" line back out after spending the entire summer defending his own handling of the Ray Rice situation based entirely on his own ignorance of the elevator footage. Would certainly be a bold move.
 
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What seems incredible is that apparently Goodell is going to have to make this up as he goes along. How is it possible that, when they changed the rule to allow teams to prep their own balls, they didn't simultaneously establish clear punishments for what happens when someone inevitably breaks the rules?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
What seems incredible is that apparently Goodell is going to have to make this up as he goes along. How is it possible that, when they changed the rule to allow teams to peep their own balls, they didn't simultaneously establish clear punishments for what happens when someone inevitably breaks the rules?
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That is hard to believe.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
That's a valid point, but I wonder if Goodell truly has the balls to trot the "Ignorance is not an excuse" line back out after spending the entire summer defending his own handling of the Ray Rice situation based entirely on his own ignorance of the elevator footage. Would certainly be a bold move.
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Trust me, I'm definitely not anticipating him actually applying any sort of consistency here, it just seems to have a very similar corollary to the Saints situation. Payton was punished because someone beneath him in the organization did something that was in violation of league rules. Regardless of who is the chief culprit in NE, sure seems like you could replace Payton with Belichick in my previous sentence and it would still be just as accurate.
 
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I think they have a rule. Something like $75,000 for every infraction, so 12 x $75,000 = $900,000.

I, personally, would just do that, and implement tighter controls over the balls, and call it a day.

The private investigator thing is funny though. Goodell works for the owners. Maybe Tom Benson was easy for Goodell to walk over. But he isn't walking over Kraft. And nobody is apologizing to Kraft.
 
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Weezy said:
The private investigator thing is funny though. Goodell works for the owners. Maybe Tom Benson was easy for Goodell to walk over. But he isn't walking over Kraft. And nobody is apologizing to Kraft.
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Pretty sure that Kraft is the one doing the walking.

Earlier that day, Kraft had appeared on CBS This Morning and was questioned by Charlie Rose about Goodell's handling of the Rice situation. It didn't go well. "He had no knowledge of this video," Kraft told Rose stiffly. "Anyone who's second-guessing that doesn't know him." After the interview, the source says, Kraft conferred with his friend Leslie Moonves, the CEO of CBS. The two men spoke often, but this call was urgent: In roughly forty-eight hours, CBS was set to air the first of eight Thursday Night Football games (for which the network reportedly paid about $250 million), and the game featured the Ravens. Kraft and Moonves agreed that Goodell needed to appear on CBS News and answer questions. The questioner, Moonves added, should be a woman…

So large is Kraft's sway with Goodell that one veteran NFL executive likes to call him "the assistant commissioner."
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Roger Goodell's Season from Hell
 
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