Atlanta Braves Thread - The "John Hart/ John Coppollela da real MVPs" Edition

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005 said:
Gordon's spot in that lineup and his speed will probably lead to a lot of runs scored. Helpful if you need help at 2B or an extra IF spot.

Craig obviously far better than Storen, plus you like Craig.
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Yeah, I moved on it. Think I came out on top. McHugh will at least get some K's
 
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One study I did think was interesting though is this chart. All biological and foster parents were diagnosed with drug abuse. This charts shows on the left, biological children of parents with drug abuse and the rate that child also had drug abuse, and on the right, a foster parent with drug abuse and the rate the foster child had a drug issue. Both scenarios the children had a drug problem than not, which clearly shows both are a big influence.
 

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Basically what they're teaching. It's from a professor at the University of Minnesota, and right now we're comparing monozygotic twins, dizigotic twins, and kids raised in foster homes. All of these studies show that monozygotic twins are clearly most similar in IQ, personality, Psychological illness, etc. I also found it interesting that studies show that environmental factors that are externally imposed (I.e. Family has money problems, have you been mugged, etc.) do not lead to more similar traits in monozygotic twins compared to dizygotic twins. However, environmental factors that reflect to some degree our pen behavior (I.e. Whether or not we do good in school, whether or not we have relationship issues, problems at work, etc.), there is a greater similarity in monozygotic twins rather than dizygotic twins. What basically he is saying is the environments we experience, we form those environments due in part due to our genetic constitution. There are genetic factors within us that creates our environment, and therefore genetics carries much more weight. Also, twins separated at birth in general have much more in common than foster kids raised in the same environment, although that environment does influence things like IQ and personality to an extent.

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Yeah, the genetics gets you both ways. The history of this research so far has been an inexorable march towards the rather depressing conclusion that who we are is largely out of our and our parents' control.

And even worse, if you're a parent: apparently most of what little slice of "environment" that matters in the nature/nurture thing is out of your control too. The upshot of these studies seems to be that, as a parent, most of your job is done once you finish your orgasm that fertilizes the egg, and the rest of it is over by the time the kid turns 5 and gets out there into the world. After that his peer group has far more influence than you do. As the father of a 10 year old, that's terrifying.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Yeah, the genetics gets you both ways. The history of this research so far has been an inexorable march towards the rather depressing conclusion that who we are is largely out of our and our parents' control.

And even worse, if you're a parent: apparently most of what little slice of "environment" that matters in the nature/nurture thing is out of your control too. The upshot of these studies seems to be that, as a parent, most of your job is done once you finish your orgasm that fertilizes the egg, and the rest of it is over by the time the kid turns 5 and gets out there into the world. After that his peer group has far more influence than you do. As the father of a 10 year old, that's terrifying.
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Yeah I thought it was incredible. I always thought genetics weighed more, but I never though genetics shaped your environment like that. It has to be terrifying as a parent. You have only a short window to raise your kids properly, and that window mostly will only effect his/her IQ. Everything else is already, in a way, determined for him/her. I guess you can allow how much your child does outside of home and school as he gets older, but parents that are too controlling have a backlash effect the majority of the time. You just have to hope to God your child is intelligent enough to not make too many adolescent mistakes.
 
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This stuff fascinates me. I know BARELY ANYTHING about it, but it's fascinating from a criminology and crime prevention standpoint. Don't know enough to utilize it for research, but
 
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005 said:
This stuff fascinates me. I know BARELY ANYTHING about it, but it's fascinating from a criminology and crime prevention standpoint. Don't know enough to utilize it for research, but
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Wel, if interested, I'm taking the course on coursera.org. The website is free and you can take thousands of classes taught by professors in whatever field you want. You can pay to get credit for the class, or take it for fun. I'm doing the latter. I'm also taking a linguistics class, and will be taking Greek and Roman Mythology starting next month. After that, I'm signed up for Animal Bahavior and American Poetry. It's really awesome, and gives you a nice base if you ever want to learn about a field. I'm sure it would absolutely help you if you'd like to gain more knowledge in certain areas. A lot of the classes are very specific.
 
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I have to check that out over the summer once I have a little more time and a little break.

Definitely know of a couple that I'd target.
 
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005 said:
I have to check that out over the summer once I have a little more time and a little break.

Definitely know of a couple that I'd target.
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It's great. Download the app and you can see all they offer. It's amazing how much is available and they're all from legitimate universities and professors. They use these courses to try new methods, ideas, and to test how well they're teaching subjects online for their real courses for people that attend their university.
 
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Wickman said:
Yeah I thought it was incredible. I always thought genetics weighed more, but I never though genetics shaped your environment like that. It has to be terrifying as a parent. You have only a short window to raise your kids properly, and that window mostly will only effect his/her IQ. Everything else is already, in a way, determined for him/her.
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It's affected the way I approach fatherhood, now that my kids are school-age and supposedly past the window of my significant influence. I don't really have any illusions that I can directly browbeat them into becoming the people I want them to be, so instead I have this sort of sideways approach where I treat them like trainees in a restaurant: I explain what I'm doing as I go through life, and why I do it that way. I.e., life as a skill to be acquired (like cooking or painting) rather than a didactic approach where life is a Thing To Be Taught. The idea being that when they're 16 and it comes down to What My Dad Says vs What My Friends Want Me To Do, the only way I've got a shot is if they view What My Dad Says as honest practical advice rather than "here's what you're supposed to do because I said so."
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It's affected the way I approach fatherhood, now that my kids are school-age and supposedly past the window of my significant influence. I don't really have any illusions that I can directly browbeat them into becoming the people I want them to be, so instead I have this sort of sideways approach where I treat them like trainees in a restaurant: I explain what I'm doing as I go through life, and why I do it that way. I.e., life as a skill to be acquired (like cooking or painting) rather than a didactic approach where life is a Thing To Be Taught. The idea being that when they're 16 and it comes down to What My Dad Says vs What My Friends Want Me To Do, the only way I've got a shot is if they view What My Dad Says as honest practical advice rather than "here's what you're supposed to do because I said so."
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Parenting is always a touchy topic, so I'm gun shy to comment on it at times, but that is a unique approach and sounds like it could be effective. I hope one day I can be half the parent my father was. Not to go on and on about him, but I feared my father in a sense of if I let him down, it would break my heart. He never once pushed me to be anything, except to use manners, be honest, and stay positive. He was incredibly loving and understanding, yet even in my high school years I passed on numerous bad choices for the soul fact that I feared letting him down tremendously. The thing about it is, if I had made those bad choices, he would have been understanding and loving regardless, while also being a strong disciplinary. I often think that There is no way I can replicate that if/when I'm a father. I wish I know how he did it, because thinking about it now, he not only had a terrible environment growing up, but he was also nothing like my grandfather or grandmother. But back to the point at hand, it sounds like you have a unique grasp on parenting that could be a big influence to your 2 children
 
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All that's interesting and all, but more importantly, Baseball Reference has added the option of adding staches, beards and afro options to all profile pictures.
 
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Basically to sum up my point on genetics...


Ole Scott never had much of a choice but to wear chacos and get facials. His genes never gave him an option
 
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Wickman said:
Basically to sum up my point on genetics...


Ole Scott never had much of a choice but to wear chacos and get facials. His genes never gave him an option
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Didn't ready any of yalls debate... But adamantly disagree
 
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TBrown said:
Didn't ready any of yalls debate... But adamantly disagree
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Environment plays a nice sized role, but genetics plays as the dominant factor for the most part. If you wanna read back that's what the class I'm taking is teaching and I mentioned a number of studies. It's honestly incredibly hard to prove one way or the other and a lot can factor in, so either side is right in a lot of ways
 
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