Atlanta Police walkout

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DC_Vol said:
I may have misunderstood your post. I thought you were suggesting we hand overview to a group of attorneys.
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The caveat to that would that they would somehow be outside of the criminal justice system, but trained as attorneys. Almost as a public advocacy department outside of the criminal system that informs and oversees the criminal system.

Or like I said, write laws that allow severe civil penalties on those within the criminal justice system that abuse people or the system.

The Old Testament had a law that if anyone was found to have given testimony that would have led to a conviction, but it was in some way false or found to be given as "not exactly true, but...", the one giving the testimony was to be given the sentence the accused would have given.

It seems to me officers are giving testimony in their reports and to get warrants. If you write a warrant that someone "possessed" a controlled substance, and so you arrest them, grind them into the machine. And then you drop the charges because everybody knows you won't get a conviction of possession for "your purse was laying by a box in the other room, and there were drugs in that box".

Well, that wasn't exactly "possession" now, was it? And how reasonable was it for you to get a warrant to throw her in jail based on that? If it's not civilly reasonable to believe that you should have taken someone's freedom and civil liberties by that definition of "possession", then maybe you should be thrown in jail for possession of narcotics? Or maybe it should personally cost you financially for that usage of the criminal justice system to be used toward other means? And maybe it should civilly cost the person that signed that warrant knowing damned well it wasn't an arrest that would hold up in court?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
This is such a horse... post that perfectly describes the systemic problems in question. Everything they did was perfectly within the system. It was probably even perfectly legal. But they didn't get the arrest warrant seeking a conviction because it wasn't a conviction they wanted.

They signed the warrant due to a legal loophole created of what "criminal possession" actually is. They didn't need to get a conviction. They didn't need to prove possession. They just needed to state a suspicion to throw a teenage girl in jail and milk her family for thousands of dollars that went to the best attorney in town, paid as non-refundable retainer for hours that he largely never actually worked, because the ******** charges were planned to be dropped all along.

And this was par for the course to put pressure on the guy they knew it actually belonged to.

And the resident law enforcement guy's attitude was literally, "Well, she was guilty of something. Even if it was just associating with someone that was actually guilt."

"The system is great at putting bad guys in jail."

No. That's not great. When you have to knowingly false charge the people you're claiming to serve...which resulted in knowingly putting an innocent person in jail...which resulted in non-refundable bail, and non-refundable retainers...not to mention the fear, anxiety and everything else...

I can't think many poorer ways to put criminals in jail. And I can't think of many better arguments for systemic reform. And the LE answer couldn't be a better argument against LE attitudes in this country.
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they didn't milk the family of anything, the lawyer did...she happened to leave her purse or backpack or whatever next to a large amount of drugs in someone's house? You really believe she didnt know these people were using drugs?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Just asking who says we have to trust any of them?

It would be interesting to have a system that allows you to sue the arresting officer and probate that signs arrest warrants if you are found innocent of the charges they put you in jail for. If they arrested you without enough evidence to convict, and they emptied your savings for you to fight it, maybe you should be able to sue for false imprisonment.

And yes, I mean personal lawsuits. Not the city, county or state paying us off. I mean your personal finances for your personal decisions. Not tax money you took from me, paid back to me to shut me up for your abuses of me.

I wonder of some of these abuses of the system would dry up.
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OJ was found innocent too, so he should've sued the police for false imprisonment?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
they didn't milk the family of anything, the lawyer did...she happened to leave her purse or backpack or whatever next to a large amount of drugs in someone's house? You really believe she didnt know these people were using drugs?
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Yes. I do because of the other details of the case that I'm not telling because I don;t want that piece of feces detective possibly reading this and lighting things back up.

She didn't know. But here you are defending her arrest for throwing a purse on a box that she couldn't look into. And even with the dozen times I've told you this...

The detective said straight up he knew she wasn't guilty. He knew it wasn't hers.

Let me translate that for your deafness. He locked up someone he knew was innocent. He took civil liberties from someone he knew was innocent. There is no excuse for that.

Your attitude is the perfect example of the systemic reforms needed in this country. The right answer would have been, "Damn. That's a ******** use of the system." But you can't admit that because it's literally the way the system works every day, across the nation.

You can't call it that because that's admitting the system is effed. And it's the usage you've been conditioned to because you don't see people or their lives. You see either perps or things to be used to get the perps.
 
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Great sex only gets a man so far Dink, whether tantric or bionic. Eventually, good girls ditch the bad boys.

Not till after we put plenty of mileage on that thing though....ah, youth. So fleeting and fun.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Great sex only gets a man so far Dink, whether tantric or bionic. Eventually, good girls ditch the bad boys.

Not till after we put plenty of mileage on that thing though....ah, youth. So fleeting and fun.
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I'm just starting to hit my sexual prime.

I ditched the horse girl scientist a couple months back and have been seeing an artist that ships off to Yale for grad school in August. I'll admit that I'll miss her dearly. She gets me to drop the insufferable prick act which is somewhat unprecedented.

My friends tell me I'm the least tied down person they've ever known. Who knows, maybe I'll genuinely seek companionship, but my way's been so much fun over the years.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I ditched the horse girl scientist a couple months back and have been seeing an artist that ships off to Yale for grad school in August. I'll admit that I'll miss her dearly. She gets me to drop the insufferable prick act which is somewhat unprecedented.
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I haven’t noticed anything different?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I'm just starting to hit my sexual prime.

I ditched the horse girl scientist a couple months back and have been seeing an artist that ships off to Yale for grad school in August. I'll admit that I'll miss her dearly. She gets me to drop the insufferable prick act which is somewhat unprecedented.

My friends tell me I'm the least tied down person they've ever known. Who knows, maybe I'll genuinely seek companionship, but my way's been so much fun over the years.
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What was the horse girl's issues?

Was she wanting to be the "mane" point of attention?
Was she trying to "saddle" up next to you too much?
Was she chomping at the "bit" to hold you down?
 
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