AU, UGA, and SC asked to remove team chaplains

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armchair said:
The idea that America was founded on christian principles is a myth. Yes, some founders were religious--but so what? There is nothing rational about religion--ZERO. "God" is no different from santa claus and the tooth fairy--and yet people pretend otherwise. Why? Because it is comforting to believe--silly, irrational, but comforting.
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Take your babbling to another thread. There are threads over there where you can get this off your chest.
 
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armchair said:
Why should religion be promoted in America--or anywhere for that matter? I get that a lot of people get comfort from religion--but it is cultish nonsense, and there is a general pressure in America to be religious or to accept religion, and that is wrong. We have ministers saying prayers at sporting events and at public meetings--religion is pervasive in America, which is an odd thing for an advanced nation. We've come to accept this notion that religion is wonderful when it isn't--it is silliness, and it is oppressive to people who are not religious and do not want to be religious. Further, the U.S. constitution forbids the establishment of a religion. People latch onto religion because they are scared of their mortality--and hence want to think that if they go to church and say prayers that "god" will send them to "heaven" when they die, where they will gambol with all their loved ones. It's 3rd-grade fairy tale stuff--and a lot of people don't like having 3rd-grade fairy tales pushed on them constantly.
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So you want left alone by the people you aren't leaving alone about not leaving you alone? I find it hard to believe these people are chasing you around on a routine basis. Good luck with everything. I just wanted to see if I could get a clarification on this plethora of information.
 
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armchair said:
Why should religion be promoted in America--or anywhere for that matter? I get that a lot of people get comfort from religion--but it is cultish nonsense, and there is a general pressure in America to be religious or to accept religion, and that is wrong. We have ministers saying prayers at sporting events and at public meetings--religion is pervasive in America, which is an odd thing for an advanced nation. We've come to accept this notion that religion is wonderful when it isn't--it is silliness, and it is oppressive to people who are not religious and do not want to be religious. Further, the U.S. constitution forbids the establishment of a religion. People latch onto religion because they are scared of their mortality--and hence want to think that if they go to church and say prayers that "god" will send them to "heaven" when they die, where they will gambol with all their loved ones. It's 3rd-grade fairy tale stuff--and a lot of people don't like having 3rd-grade fairy tales pushed on them constantly.
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Creation and all creatures indicate that their is a Creator/Designer. Supernatural and intelligent. A house dont just build itself. Their is a designer in everything we see.
 
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armchair said:
Why should religion be promoted in America--or anywhere for that matter? I get that a lot of people get comfort from religion--but it is cultish nonsense, and there is a general pressure in America to be religious or to accept religion, and that is wrong. We have ministers saying prayers at sporting events and at public meetings--religion is pervasive in America, which is an odd thing for an advanced nation. We've come to accept this notion that religion is wonderful when it isn't--it is silliness, and it is oppressive to people who are not religious and do not want to be religious. Further, the U.S. constitution forbids the establishment of a religion. People latch onto religion because they are scared of their mortality--and hence want to think that if they go to church and say prayers that "god" will send them to "heaven" when they die, where they will gambol with all their loved ones. It's 3rd-grade fairy tale stuff--and a lot of people don't like having 3rd-grade fairy tales pushed on them constantly.
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I didn't, nor do I latch to my faith because I'm scared of anything. I love God for the blessings in my life, and I love being a Christian. There's not a public school out there who teaches God, neither are there people forcing you to listen to it. So you being forced is a little over reach.
 
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joevol33 said:
I didn't, nor do I latch to my faith because I'm scared of anything. I love God for the blessings in my life, and I love being a Christian. There's not a public school out there who teaches God, neither are there people forcing you to listen to it. So you being forced is a little over reach.
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I believe that you believe this. However, if you were born into a Muslim household, instead of a Christian household; you would be a Muslim. You would believe in Muslim ideals just as strongly as you believe in your Christian principles.

For the life of me I cannot understand why people -not just joevol- believe that their religion is any different than the literally millions of other religions, past and present. Faith? I'm sure followers of other religions have just as much faith as Christians. Logic? Christianity certainly doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint; especially when compared to certain other religions.

Yet it is by far the most followed religion in America... Why? In my opinion, it's solely due to the fact that it is what our ancestors believed.

Had the majority of our ancestors come from Muslim or Buddhist descent, would America be a Muslim or Buddhist nation?

The point of my post is not to turn believers into nonbelievers, but to give credence to individuals who need a little more than standard "just have faith" answers to very legitimate questions concerning Christianity.

Theology is an extremely fascinating and enlightening subject if you're open minded.

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My post is NOT fact; it is MY opinion, based off of MY logic. TIFWIW

Imo jmo bbq
 
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armchair said:
Why should religion be promoted in America--or anywhere for that matter? I get that a lot of people get comfort from religion--but it is cultish nonsense, and there is a general pressure in America to be religious or to accept religion, and that is wrong. We have ministers saying prayers at sporting events and at public meetings--religion is pervasive in America, which is an odd thing for an advanced nation. We've come to accept this notion that religion is wonderful when it isn't--it is silliness, and it is oppressive to people who are not religious and do not want to be religious. Further, the U.S. constitution forbids the establishment of a religion. People latch onto religion because they are scared of their mortality--and hence want to think that if they go to church and say prayers that "god" will send them to "heaven" when they die, where they will gambol with all their loved ones. It's 3rd-grade fairy tale stuff--and a lot of people don't like having 3rd-grade fairy tales pushed on them constantly.
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Nobody is pushing anything on anyone. I dont see the problem in having a chaplain for those people who would want his service. Why is that so bad? If an atheist or non-religious person doesn't want a chaplains services then they do not have to use them. So whats wrong with that?
 
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armchair said:
The idea that America was founded on christian principles is a myth. Yes, some founders were religious--but so what? There is nothing rational about religion--ZERO. "God" is no different from santa claus and the tooth fairy--and yet people pretend otherwise. Why? Because it is comforting to believe--silly, irrational, but comforting.
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Are you crying?

Don't cry. The God who you are so afraid of and are trying so hard to convince yourself is a "fairy tale" isn't out to get you, I promise.
 
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OrangeDonkey said:
I believe that you believe this. However, if you were born into a Muslim household, instead of a Christian household; you would be a Muslim. You would believe in Muslim ideals just as strongly as you believe in your Christian principles.

For the life of me I cannot understand why people -not just joevol- believe that their religion is any different than the literally millions of other religions, past and present. Faith? I'm sure followers of other religions have just as much faith as Christians. Logic? Christianity certainly doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint; especially when compared to certain other religions.

Yet it is by far the most followed religion in America... Why? In my opinion, it's solely due to the fact that it is what our ancestors believed.

Had the majority of our ancestors come from Muslim or Buddhist descent, would America be a Muslim or Buddhist nation?

The point of my post is not to turn believers into nonbelievers, but to give credence to individuals who need a little more than standard "just have faith" answers to very legitimate questions concerning Christianity.

Theology is an extremely fascinating and enlightening subject if you're open minded.

Disclaimer:
My post is NOT fact; it is MY opinion, based off of MY logic. TIFWIW

Imo jmo bbq
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Nothing in what I said was putting my religion above others, or anything about muslims. I was just stating that in this country no one is forcing Christianity on him. Now if we were a muslim country, his statements could get him killed for not converting. I'm just saying we are a free country, and being a Christian isn't forced on anyone. Oh, and thatmost of us who ate Christian, aren't because we're scared.
 
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I just want to hear one of those preacher boys say "Smash those mother****ers in the mouth and win this ******n game, hoo- fn'- rah". :p
 
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GAVol said:
I've never really understood the need for a team chaplain or how a public university gets away with having one.
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So, I am guessing in your mind that your opinion is more important than the rights of those who desire to have a chaplain available.

It is my opinion that your statement is evidence that some people are more philosophically and spiritually sophisticated than others.
 
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armchair said:
Why should religion be promoted in America--or anywhere for that matter? I get that a lot of people get comfort from religion--but it is cultish nonsense, and there is a general pressure in America to be religious or to accept religion, and that is wrong. We have ministers saying prayers at sporting events and at public meetings--religion is pervasive in America, which is an odd thing for an advanced nation. We've come to accept this notion that religion is wonderful when it isn't--it is silliness, and it is oppressive to people who are not religious and do not want to be religious. Further, the U.S. constitution forbids the establishment of a religion. People latch onto religion because they are scared of their mortality--and hence want to think that if they go to church and say prayers that "god" will send them to "heaven" when they die, where they will gambol with all their loved ones. It's 3rd-grade fairy tale stuff--and a lot of people don't like having 3rd-grade fairy tales pushed on them constantly.
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The reason that the USA is an advanced nation is because religion has been pervasive for the last 250 years. Regardless of your personal bias.
 
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onevol74 said:
So, I am guessing in your mind that your opinion is more important than the rights of those who desire to have a chaplain available.

It is my opinion that your statement is evidence that some people are more philosophically and spiritually sophisticated than others.
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The comment was about how the position of chaplain has survived and me wondering how effective it really is.... not that I personally have a problem with it. The funny part is that you took those words and spun me into an arrogant, souless Atheist when in reality I taught Sunday School this morning and have a deacons meeting later. It was a simple offhand remark. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm wrong.

But, hey, nice job being more sophisticated than me.
 
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GAVol said:
the comment was about how The position of chaplain has survived; not that I personally have a problem with it. The funny part is that you think I'm a souless Atheist when in reality I taught Sunday School this morning and have a deacons meeting later. It was a simple offhand remark. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm wrong, but, hey, nice job being more sophisticated than me.
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Yea yea, whatever you say heathen
 
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Given the supernatural cosmic Florida voodoo hex we've been under I'm willing to try anything at this point. Get some Jobu rum and light incense if that's what it takes.

It's very bad to drink Jobu rum. Very bad.
 
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GAVol said:
You're right. That was a waste of time. I should've just drank a beer.
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if everyone would just drink a beer instead of saying half they the things they say, the world would be a better place.

that's probably just the alcoholic inside of me though.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Would you have a problem with a Muslim Chaplain?.......wait I already know the answer, you would think they were always carrying a bomb strapped to their chest.
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After reading their playbook that would be a pretty fair assessment. Funny how society tries so hard to vilify Christians whose core belief is to spread the good news of a risen Savior, and defend a group of people whose guidebook, the Qu'ran instructs it's followers to kill infidels who aren't willing to convert. Keep up the condescending attitude, I'm sure it will come in handy when you are on the wrong end of a long blade being held by a subhuman monster that follows a pedophile prophet and the moon god Ra. Probably should do some research before making light of a situation.
 
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sanddune50 said:
After reading their playbook that would be a pretty fair assessment. Funny how society tries so hard to vilify Christians whose core belief is to spread the good news of a risen Savior, and defend a group of people whose guidebook, the Qu'ran instructs it's followers to kill infidels who aren't willing to convert. Keep up the condescending attitude, I'm sure it will come in handy when you are on the wrong end of a long blade being held by a subhuman monster that follows a pedophile prophet and the moon god Ra. Probably should do some research before making light of a situation.
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Roll Tide
 
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I am pretty liberal and fully support separation of Church and state, BUT with all the challenges that student athletes face these days. Taking one more adult out of the equation is not helping matters.
 
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sanddune50 said:
After reading their playbook that would be a pretty fair assessment. Funny how society tries so hard to vilify Christians whose core belief is to spread the good news of a risen Savior, and defend a group of people whose guidebook, the Qu'ran instructs it's followers to kill infidels who aren't willing to convert. Keep up the condescending attitude, I'm sure it will come in handy when you are on the wrong end of a long blade being held by a subhuman monster that follows a pedophile prophet and the moon god Ra. Probably should do some research before making light of a situation.
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Please show me where I have vilified Christians, who I just happen to be a part of. When you can manage to separate radical Islam from non-radical Islam, perhaps you could be at more peace with yourself......or not, I dont really give a rip.
 
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velovol said:
I am pretty liberal and fully support separation of Church and state, BUT with all the challenges that student athletes face these days. Taking one more adult out of the equation is not helping matters.
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You're 100% right. I wondered earlier about how useful the chaplain really is, but that's a perfect answer.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Please show me where I have vilified Christians, who I just happen to be a part of. When you can manage to separate radical Islam from non-radical Islam, perhaps you could be at more peace with yourself......or not, I dont really give a rip.
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It's more about being informed. Last I checked both imaginary groupings of Muslims you made in the above post memorize verses out of the same book. Stands to reason both groups follow it's teachings. But if you want to spin it about 'me being at peace', feel free. Either way, I don't give a rip about uninformed knuckleheads.

And I find it amusing how you attack me for not being at peace and becoming unglued in the above post. A word of advice, worry about finding peace within before instructing others to find peace. Of course I'm using a logical line of thinking with a walking illogical contradiction. Have a good day living in your snowglobe.
 
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