Auburn fires Gus Malzahn

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If Auburn pays out $20+ mil to Malzahn to hire Steele, that would have to be one of the dumbest moves of all-time. Nothing against Steele. He's an excellent DC. But they already have Steele! What is hiring Steele going to accomplish that keeping Malzahn wouldn't have?

This is further solidifying my belief that firing a coach this year is disastrous. South Carolina got a career position coach (Shane Beamer). Auburn might just get the DC for the guy they just fired.
 
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I never assume that these guys have a good plan. They might, but it sure doesn't look it right now. We'll see. If Briles resigned to take a job, I'm still wondering what that job is. But he may just be planning to go fishing, who knows.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
If Auburn pays out $20+ mil to Malzahn to hire Steele, that would have to be one of the dumbest moves of all-time. Nothing against Steele. He's an excellent DC. But they already have Steele! What is hiring Steele going to accomplish that keeping Malzahn wouldn't have?

This is further solidifying my belief that firing a coach this year is disastrous. South Carolina got a career position coach (Shane Beamer). Auburn might just get the DC for the guy they just fired.
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At some point you can’t keep giving a pass and expecting different results
 
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I saw this posted somewhere else, but it sounds like Auburn has some infighting going on with this coaching hire. Sound familiar? This is not coming from me, but another site that I frequent.

The rumors are that their big booster is Yellawood owner aka the "YellaFella " Jimmy Rane and he is pushing hard for Steele. According to this other site, there is infighting between all the boosters and fighting with Jay Gogue (the university president). The AD Allen Green has almost no power in the process. The boosters are split into the Good Ol Boy network that dominates Auburn led by Jimmy Rane who are pushing for Steele or Freeze and other quieter boosters who are pushing hard for Cristobal and Napier.

To sum this up...it sounds like a mess. For entertainment purposes and our own selfish gains, I hope this thing spins out of control.
 
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hatingbamaisawayoflife said:
Just talked to friend there Cristobal told au no today. They giving it to Steele
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I was listening to one of the XM shows yesterday and one of the guys who apparently is close to Cristobal was saying that as long as Saban is still there he’ll never coach in the SEC West.

I still think Cristobal is the guy to replace Saban. Or actually I believe he is on the shortlist.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I was listening to one of the XM shows yesterday and one of the guys who apparently is close to Cristobal was saying that as long as Saban is still there he’ll never coach in the SEC West.

I still think Cristobal is the guy to replace Saban. Or actually I believe he is on the shortlist.
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I can't believe Cristobal is only making $2.6m at Oregon. He's the second lowest-paid coach in the Pac 12 and should parlay this interest in him into a nice raise.

There's a lot to like about Cristobal, but I think some people need to pump the brakes a bit. He's a phenomenal recruiter, but he's really only had one good season and his tenure at FIU (admittedly a totally different type of job) was bad. It's entirely possible people are getting too ahead of their skis on him. For him to be the guy who ends up replacing Saban, I think he'd need to show more at Oregon first. He did win the Pac 12 last year, but I'm not sure how much Alabama people actually are impressed by that.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I was listening to one of the XM shows yesterday and one of the guys who apparently is close to Cristobal was saying that as long as Saban is still there he’ll never coach in the SEC West.

I still think Cristobal is the guy to replace Saban. Or actually I believe he is on the shortlist.
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That would be great. Replace Saban with the guy who couldn't beat freshman Bo Nix's Auburn team with Justin freaking Herbert.
 
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jp1 said:
Because that is a great way to decide HC hires.
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I would say mis-using Herbert for 3 years is cause for concern. Cristobal has had some success but he's at a powerhouse in a PAC 12 that's probably never been weaker.

Almost nobody liked Herbert where he got picked in the draft, he's on a ****** team, and he comes out immediately as the best rookie QB since....IDK Andrew Luck? Where was that hiding at Oregon?
 
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n_huffhines said:
I would say mis-using Herbert for 3 years is cause for concern. Cristobal has had some success but he's at a powerhouse in a PAC 12 that's probably never been weaker.

Almost nobody liked Herbert where he got picked in the draft, he's on a ****** team, and he comes out immediately as the best rookie QB since....IDK Andrew Luck? Where was that hiding at Oregon?
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Not sure it was hiding anywhere - I mean, he was taken 6th overall, whether it was considered a reach or not. The season he had last year only looks unimpressive when compared to say, Joe Burrow, who had perhaps the greatest season by a QB ever.

Cristobal is a great recruiter, but I'd be hesitant to say he's a home run hire for a big program until he strung together some more successful seasons at Oregon.
 
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I hope Auburn hires Steele. It would be the biggest non steal since the Vols hired Pruitt. I would be shocked if they did though. Fork out all of that money to fire Gus for a coach that is 9-36.
 
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05_never_again said:
Not sure it was hiding anywhere - I mean, he was taken 6th overall, whether it was considered a reach or not. The season he had last year only looks unimpressive when compared to say, Joe Burrow, who had perhaps the greatest season by a QB ever.

Cristobal is a great recruiter, but I'd be hesitant to say he's a home run hire for a big program until he strung together some more successful seasons at Oregon.
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Burrow put up 5,500 yards. I'm not asking for even 5,000. Herbert never passed for 3,500 yards. 8 power 5 QB's did that last year, and some of them are nothing special. There is no reason a gun-slinging talent like him shouldn't have 4,000+ yards in a 14 game season. His talent was wasted to the point that it was hard for scouts to recognize. Whatever you want to say about where he was drafted and what he did in college, nobody on the national scene was expecting anything close to this out of him because of his college performance.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Burrow put up 5,500 yards. I'm not asking for even 5,000. Herbert never passed for 3,500 yards. 8 power 5 QB's did that last year, and some of them are nothing special. There is no reason a gun-slinging talent like him shouldn't have 4,000+ yards in a 14 game season. His talent was wasted to the point that it was hard for scouts to recognize. Whatever you want to say about where he was drafted and what he did in college, nobody on the national scene was expecting anything close to this out of him because of his college performance.
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Hard for scouts to recognize...again, he was taken 6th overall. The Chargers recognized it I guess. How much farther would he have fallen if the Chargers didn't take him? Was he going to be a late round pick?

He didn't put up absolutely prolific passing stats, but I think the whole "he was a disappointment in college" thing comes from the fact he was mentioned as a Heisman frontrunner in both his junior and senior seasons and wasn't a finalist either time. There were really high expectations on him. He wasn't among the elite, but he wasn't some hidden gem that nobody knew about either; he was a good QB on a really good team last year. His performance this year is mildly surprising.

The QB that I've been the most surprised about over the last couple years is Josh Allen. I get why the combine crowd loved him, but the dude didn't do much at all in college. His stats weren't great (if you think Herbert's aren't good...look at Allen's) and he didn't seem to elevate the play of his team.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
This is further solidifying my belief that firing a coach this year is disastrous. South Carolina got a career position coach (Shane Beamer). Auburn might just get the DC for the guy they just fired.
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i think a bold SEC program can get Freeze this offseason, and do very well
 
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05_never_again said:
Hard for scouts to recognize...again, he was taken 6th overall. The Chargers recognized it I guess. How much farther would he have fallen if the Chargers didn't take him? Was he going to be a late round pick?

He didn't put up absolutely prolific passing stats, but I think the whole "he was a disappointment in college" thing comes from the fact he was mentioned as a Heisman frontrunner in both his junior and senior seasons and wasn't a finalist either time. There were really high expectations on him. He wasn't among the elite, but he wasn't some hidden gem that nobody knew about either; he was a good QB on a really good team last year. His performance this year is mildly surprising.

The QB that I've been the most surprised about over the last couple years is Josh Allen. I get why the combine crowd loved him, but the dude didn't do much at all in college. His stats weren't great (if you think Herbert's aren't good...look at Allen's) and he didn't seem to elevate the play of his team.
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I'm saying he looks like a guy that should go #1 in any draft and he went 6th, and that was considered a desperate stretch by LAC.

There is absolutely no reason to compare Josh Allen. It took him 3 years to break out and he played on a dog **** college team. Herbert was on a powerhouse and it took him 3 weeks to break out.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm saying he looks like a guy that should go #1 in any draft and he went 6th, and that was considered a desperate stretch by LAC.

There is absolutely no reason to compare Josh Allen. It took him 3 years to break out and he played on a dog **** college team. Herbert was on a powerhouse and it took him 3 weeks to break out.
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What argument are you trying to make exactly?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Cristobal didn't know how to maximize an all-time great NFL ready talent. He held him back.
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That is debatable. You could argue that Cristobal helped Herbert become a top ten pick. It goes both ways. Herbert’s stats with the ducks while MC was his coach were impressive.
 
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n_huffhines said:
That would be great. Replace Saban with the guy who couldn't beat freshman Bo Nix's Auburn team with Justin freaking Herbert.
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Well I might look it at beyond a fluke Auburn win because of a prayer pass by a mediocre QB. I could see him being not the first choice, but definitely someone it comes down to. It will be interesting to see how many don’t want to replace a legend. Most would usually prefer to be that follows the guy that followed the all timer .
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
That is debatable. You could argue that Cristobal helped Herbert become a top ten pick. It goes both ways. Herbert’s stats with the ducks while MC was his coach were impressive.
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Herbert's stats were really good as a freshman before MC, so I don't think that argument is valid.
 
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give_him 6 said:
I saw this posted somewhere else, but it sounds like Auburn has some infighting going on with this coaching hire. Sound familiar? This is not coming from me, but another site that I frequent.

The rumors are that their big booster is Yellawood owner aka the "YellaFella " Jimmy Rane and he is pushing hard for Steele. According to this other site, there is infighting between all the boosters and fighting with Jay Gogue (the university president). The AD Allen Green has almost no power in the process. The boosters are split into the Good Ol Boy network that dominates Auburn led by Jimmy Rane who are pushing for Steele or Freeze and other quieter boosters who are pushing hard for Cristobal and Napier.

To sum this up...it sounds like a mess. For entertainment purposes and our own selfish gains, I hope this thing spins out of control.
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I know nothing, but I would believe it. It seems like Steele doesn't fit into that group with the other three.
 
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05_never_again said:
I can't believe Cristobal is only making $2.6m at Oregon. He's the second lowest-paid coach in the Pac 12 and should parlay this interest in him into a nice raise.

There's a lot to like about Cristobal, but I think some people need to pump the brakes a bit. He's a phenomenal recruiter, but he's really only had one good season and his tenure at FIU (admittedly a totally different type of job) was bad. It's entirely possible people are getting too ahead of their skis on him. For him to be the guy who ends up replacing Saban, I think he'd need to show more at Oregon first. He did win the Pac 12 last year, but I'm not sure how much Alabama people actually are impressed by that.
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I honestly don’t know who will be able to impress Bama fans after Saban. I definitely don’t think Cristobal’s body of work is enough to get their attention and he needs to get Oregon to a CFP to at least be considered. I think he’s doing a good job amd will eventually have them in contention.
 
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