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#751
#751
Smokey X said:
That is good stuff. But Is that a normal wind speed at whatever altitude you are at? Sorry for dumb questions.
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No that is pretty unusual. Right in the heart of the jet stream pretty much. It isn't unusual to see around 100 knots though. It's not a dumb question
 
#754
#754
SpaceCoastVol said:
Yep. 300 knots ground speed. It was a three hour difference in the flight times. 10.5 vs almost 14 hours
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Almost every day I work ANZ2. I think it’s typically around a 16 hour flight. I wonder if they are even able to go JFK-AUK when the Jet Stream is abnormally strong. I guess they probably plan a different route to try to avoid the worst of it.
 
#755
#755
Tri-CitiesVol said:
Almost every day I work ANZ2. I think it’s typically around a 16 hour flight. I wonder if they are even able to go JFK-AUK when the Jet Stream is abnormally strong. I guess they probably plan a different route to try to avoid the worst of it.
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Of that there is no doubt. They might even go east of the North Pole. I'll see if I can find out.

Edit: Nah. They go south. They go over Los Angeles and then down. I don't know what I was thinking about. 15 hours and 55 minutes. A little longer than our ATL-ICN flight.
 
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#758
#758
ATC_VOL said:
I think it was probably the safe smart move for now.
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For sure, but after polling the people and overwhelmingly hearing from them that they don’t want to extend, it seemed like NATCA being NATCA again.

At least you guys are getting a nice bump in the OJTI pays.
 
#759
#759
Tri-CitiesVol said:
For sure, but after polling the people and overwhelmingly hearing from them that they don’t want to extend, it seemed like NATCA being NATCA again.

At least you guys are getting a nice bump in the OJTI pays.
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Extra 5%. Every little helps I guess.
 
#765
#765
Tri-CitiesVol said:
Did you go while up for the game? I thought about making a trip over myself.
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We did, just added about half an hour total to the drive. Something fun to do with my boys to get the taste of the game out of our mouths, and show them some of the planes their grandfather flew. Definitely worth a trip.
 
#766
#766
I’ve flown a ton this year probably 30-40 times. Anyways, I had my first flight that was basically completely fog covered until hitting the ground for landing. Pilot landed perfectly though, how do they land in fog?
 
#767
#767
Berry4Heisman14 said:
I’ve flown a ton this year probably 30-40 times. Anyways, I had my first flight that was basically completely fog covered until hitting the ground for landing. Pilot landed perfectly though, how do they land in fog?
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The airline pilot(s) will have a better answer. But there’s a category of Instrument Landing System, a type of precision approach, that takes you to 50 ft or less above the ground. Some airplanes are capable of auto land. There’s criteria that have to be met on the controller side, but I’m not familiar.
 
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#768
#768
Berry4Heisman14 said:
I’ve flown a ton this year probably 30-40 times. Anyways, I had my first flight that was basically completely fog covered until hitting the ground for landing. Pilot landed perfectly though, how do they land in fog?
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It's called Category 3 ILS. All done on the autopilot. You don't have to see a damned thing. I've done it for real the times in my career. It's really fun. I love flying in bad weather.
 
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#770
#770
@ATC_VOL

How far south of our border until you all start descending ATLs? The GLAVN and CHPPR routing look pretty similar. Can I let those ride or should it always be fixed.
 
#771
#771
Tri-CitiesVol said:
@ATC_VOL

How far south of our border until you all start descending ATLs? The GLAVN and CHPPR routing look pretty similar. Can I let those ride or should it always be fixed.
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They cross the ZTL boundary at 330 or below. Just depends on traffic, sometimes we start descending them as soon as they cross the boundary, sometimes you can wait until Nashville. Boundary is about 40 miles south of Nashville.

CHPPR is our arrival and GLAVN is for the area SW of us. They do have a point they can merge at because sometimes ZTL has to blend them into a single stream, usually on a weather day. Normally they don’t have to blend them. We used to have to fix them, now technically the letter says you don’t. The metering list is all screwed up if they’re on the wrong one though, so most people would fix it. Don’t see many on the wrong route, maybe an occasional foreign carrier.
 
#772
#772
ATC_VOL said:
They cross the ZTL boundary at 330 or below. Just depends on traffic, sometimes we start descending them as soon as they cross the boundary, sometimes you can wait until Nashville. Boundary is about 40 miles south of Nashville.

CHPPR is our arrival and GLAVN is for the area SW of us. They do have a point they can merge at because sometimes ZTL has to blend them into a single stream, usually on a weather day. Normally they don’t have to blend them. We used to have to fix them, now technically the letter says you don’t. The metering list is all screwed up if they’re on the wrong one though, so most people would fix it. Don’t see many on the wrong route, maybe an occasional foreign carrier.
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Gotcha. I’m not sure we’ve had a metering discussion before. What are your thoughts?

Personally, I hate it or, more accurately, I hate that it gives the controller the option to do nothing and hand off a pile of ****. In my old area, we were really close to Charlotte but still just showed metering numbers. I’d watch people hand off a stack of four or five literally on top of each other with zeroes and then Atlanta would have to work like hell to space them so they could give the descend via.
 
#773
#773
Tri-CitiesVol said:
Gotcha. I’m not sure we’ve had a metering discussion before. What are your thoughts?

Personally, I hate it or, more accurately, I hate that it gives the controller the option to do nothing and hand off a pile of ****. In my old area, we were really close to Charlotte but still just showed metering numbers. I’d watch people hand off a stack of four or five literally on top of each other with zeroes and then Atlanta would have to work like hell to space them so they could give the descend via.
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It’s great in a vacuum, which of course you know we don’t work in.

When metering started we were specifically told to not hand stacks. As time has progressed I see people get made fun of for trying to space and not handing stacks. Before metering we had 30 MIT to CLT everyday. Now it’s just metering. Getting 5 miles is a piece of cake compared to what we used to do. I still try to get basic in-trail and train people to at least have something started.

With ATL metering it specifically says no stacks so people do better with that.
 
#774
#774
ATC_VOL said:
It’s great in a vacuum, which of course you know we don’t work in.

When metering started we were specifically told to not hand stacks. As time has progressed I see people get made fun of for trying to space and not handing stacks. Before metering we had 30 MIT to CLT everyday. Now it’s just metering. Getting 5 miles is a piece of cake compared to what we used to do. I still try to get basic in-trail and train people to at least have something started.

With ATL metering it specifically says no stacks so people do better with that.
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Preach, brother. The old area roasted me for working on CLTs, but for me it was a pride thing. If someone hands me that I’m assuming they’re not good, lazy, or both. Unless I was getting absolutely hammered, I always gave them about 5 miles with speeds working. The morning Charlotte push we had was my favorite time to work. Probably would get thirty of them in a session.

I went and had a talk with our TMU because everyone said I was wrong for giving 5 miles and TMU gave some BS answer about multiple runways. Still doesn’t change the fact that Atlanta effectively does my job for me right after they cross the boundary. Each of those airplanes have to go to 24 and get the descend via. Someone has to turn them. May as well be me.
 
#775
#775
Tri-CitiesVol said:
Preach, brother. The old area roasted me for working on CLTs, but for me it was a pride thing. If someone hands me that I’m assuming they’re not good, lazy, or both. Unless I was getting absolutely hammered, I always gave them about 5 miles with speeds working. The morning Charlotte push we had was my favorite time to work. Probably would get thirty of them in a session.

I went and had a talk with our TMU because everyone said I was wrong for giving 5 miles and TMU gave some BS answer about multiple runways. Still doesn’t change the fact that Atlanta effectively does my job for me right after they cross the boundary. Each of those airplanes have to go to 24 and get the descend via. Someone has to turn them. May as well be me.
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Yup, agree with you 100%. Spacing is fun too, you immediately know if you did a good job or not. Have to find a little enjoyment at work where you can.
 
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