Awaka to the portal

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GoodTimeVol said:
Not at all my intent
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GoodTimeVol said:
No offense but why are you making stuff up to fit some narrative that Rick doesn’t use NIL? First off coaches have no say over the collective they might offer them input but anything else is against the rules as we know.

Second this is a false narrative the staff has interviews with each player prior to them entering the portal. There is a lot of variables at play especially when there is a set budget, but when you have young guys like Estrella and Phillips waiting for their turn and you have a guy who is undersized at the position and who is still limited on the offensive end outside of 5 feet tough decisions have to be made for both parties.

To say we are not ready when have put team after team into the NCAA Tournament a long with sec championships during the NIL era is simply false on all accounts

The roster is nowhere near set for next year, can you not wait till after summer before spreading false information about our NIL?
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GoodTimeVol said:
Folks don’t listen to this guy spew garbage
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How was this supposed to be interpreted then? Over the past two seasons and offseasons, the guy has either been an extremely good guesser, or has proven he has some inside connections to the program and/or Spyre.

And yet twice, you implicitly called him a liar, which by default calls into question either his character, his intellect, or both. Rarely have I heard the phrase, "don't listen to this guy spew garbage" used as terms of endearment.
 
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cncchris33 said:
How was this supposed to be interpreted then? Over the past two seasons and offseasons, the guy has either been an extremely good guesser, or has proven he has some inside connections to the program and/or Spyre.

And yet twice, you implicitly called him a liar, which by default calls into question either his character, his intellect, or both. Rarely have I heard the phrase, "don't listen to this guy spew garbage" used as terms of endearment.
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I don’t want to hash out the entire conversation but there was no other way to interpret what he said without some type of context that was missing, nobody is going to read like 10 pages to figure out the context but the way he conveyed our NIL was not only negative it would have been taken as gospel by the select few and spread as a false narrative.

You guys like Danny White yet his message was pretty clear to the fans (video below) and the last thing we need is false narratives about our NIL being spread because an “insiders” quote could have easily been taken out of context…


 
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therickbol said:
Then, respectfully, you don't know what you are watching. JP has a much higher offensive ceiling than Awaka. Based on tangibles and intangibles. Based on height and length. Based on feel and instincts. Based on basketball IQ. Based on ability to shoot from the perimeter.
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I’m no self proclaimed basketball expert by any means, and I’m not presenting myself as one. Outside of JP’s height, a person would have to be a basketball savant in order to determine these skills on the very limited amount of minutes played this season by JP. I don’t recall him making a perimeter shot this season. Maybe you’ve seen him in practice or elsewhere to have arrived at your conclusions?

Anyway, I’m optimistic Barnes will develop JP and Phillips into viable SEC players. However, IMO Awaka is already at that point and continued to improve throughout the season so I hate to see him leave. Have to trust Barnes on the roster so we will see.
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
I don’t want to hash out the entire conversation but there was no other way to interpret what he said without some type of context that was missing, nobody is going to read like 10 pages to figure out the context but the way he conveyed our NIL was not only negative it would have been taken as gospel by the select few and spread as a false narrative.

You guys like Danny White yet his message was pretty clear to the fans (video below) and the last thing we need is false narratives about our NIL being spread because an “insiders” quote could have easily been taken out of context…


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What exactly do you believe is the false narrative though? Danny White has zero control over the NIL...the university isn't involved in collecting, funding, or distributing NIL to any players. The coaches are involved purely to say "this is what the collective has available" and to give the collective amounts, how that's negotiated is almost completely between players & the collective.

So I'm not sure how it's a false narrative to say Barnes isn't spending as much with NIL as other programs. When he himself made that very clear this season talking about Dalton Knecht's recruitment.
 
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walkenvol said:
I’m no self proclaimed basketball expert by any means, and I’m not presenting myself as one. Outside of JP’s height, a person would have to be a basketball savant in order to determine these skills on the very limited amount of minutes played this season by JP. I don’t recall him making a perimeter shot this season. Maybe you’ve seen him in practice or elsewhere to have arrived at your conclusions?

Anyway, I’m optimistic Barnes will develop JP and Phillips into viable SEC players. However, IMO Awaka is already at that point and continued to improve throughout the season so I hate to see him leave. Have to trust Barnes on the roster so we will see.
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Most of the scouting reports out of HS established JP's shooting ability.

Estrella is already a shooting threat from behind the arc and is showing better loft on his ball from that distance than he did earlier in the spring, but is not yet a high percentage three-point shooter.

But he didn't have the opportunity in any game action to step out behind the arc, and honestly bigs for Barnes are rarely in a position to do that anyway. JP was another late bloomer so he's still learning to be 6'11" as a player and like DK and others was playing more of a guard/wing role before hitting his growth spurt.
 
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Franklin_Vol09 said:
I’m still holding out hope that Awaka comes back
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In Summary:

His NIL value on this team isn't that great.

He isn't getting playing time here he wants nor the NIL$$.

TA will have opportunity elsewhere and be happy for him to follow his dream!
 
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Yea let coaches develop you into a good player from mediocre and then bolt. These kids have no appreciation for the work coaches put into their development. The portal simply has created a bunch of kids with a lot of quit in them when things don’t go exactly the way they would like. Bad parenting.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
What exactly do you believe is the false narrative though? Danny White has zero control over the NIL...the university isn't involved in collecting, funding, or distributing NIL to any players. The coaches are involved purely to say "this is what the collective has available" and to give the collective amounts, how that's negotiated is almost completely between players & the collective.

So I'm not sure how it's a false narrative to say Barnes isn't spending as much with NIL as other programs. When he himself made that very clear this season talking about Dalton Knecht's recruitment.
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The narrative would have been our NIL isn’t ready because we lost 3 guys to the portal considering the original post, rather than it being a mutual parting of ways…Is what he saying wrong? Absolutely not but this could easily be taken out of context and interpreted as something more than what it should have been. Im not trying to come down on anyone but we cant say stuff like this without context…

Again our collective has a set budget like every program has is it higher than certain teams like Texas or Oregon? Probably not but we definitely have money to spend and the necessary resources to counter any loss.

All Stoerner was saying is that we didn’t foresee so many schools tampering before the portal opening, I get that but how it was worded could confuse anybody without context.
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Every core member of the team has an offer somewhere else of more money and more minutes. We are not handling either aspect well this year. While NIL has changed things, it has never been like this, and we aren’t ready.
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vol94 said:
Also, Doug Matthews recently said that TN is well ahead of NIL and many programs are trying to follow suit. While Matthews is a talking head for TN athletics, he wouldn’t approach the subject if it wasn’t a fact. He made a general comment stating TN has a strong NIL program- for all sports.

Awaka may have left for NIL but most likely for more minutes.
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That would be the party line though wouldn't it, that we're really good using NIL?
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
The narrative would have been our NIL isn’t ready because we lost 3 guys to the portal considering the original post, rather than it being a mutual parting of ways…Is what he saying wrong? Absolutely not but this could easily be taken out of context and interpreted as something more than what it should have been. Im not trying to come down on anyone but we cant say stuff like this without context…

Again our collective has a set budget like every program has is it higher than certain teams like Texas or Oregon? Probably not but we definitely have money to spend and the necessary resources to counter any loss.

All Stoerner was saying is that we didn’t foresee so many schools tampering before the portal opening, I get that but how it was worded could confuse anybody without context.
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Unless you work for the coaching staff OR the collective you're also spreading false narratives with the statements you're making. What proof do you have that the collective has a set budget?

What SF said confused you, but you seemingly attacked -his- character rather than simply asking for clarification or more context of his statement.
 
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madbamahater said:
Barnes and his staff MUST use this open spot to land a serious talent in the portal if they want to build in this elite 8 year. This will require them tremendously stepping up their game for elite talent. Anything less and they will be back to a team being bounced day one or two of tourney or missing tourney.....
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A horse. A horse! My kingdom for a horse!!
 
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Awaka’s parents have never been able to come to Knoxville to see him play. At St John’s they will be able to do that. Plus he will be a starter
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Unless you work for the coaching staff OR the collective you're also spreading false narratives with the statements you're making. What proof do you have that the collective has a set budget?

What SF said confused you, but you seemingly attacked -his- character rather than simply asking for clarification or more context of his statement.
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I didn’t attack his character? I simply said it was false, he clarified his statement after the fact. Not sure why you are getting all up in arms over it. He is not even upset about it lol
 
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