Azzanni on Pig Howard

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TGVol said:
:eek:lol:
Do you have amnesia? Our previous staff can be blamed for a lot of things but coaching offense is NOT on that list. They put together one of the best offenses in the country (as CBJ felt first hand when they beat him up few years ago), and one of the best in school history (in 3 years). They also put great WR's into NFL (including our head coach who is obviously good enough to coach WR position in the NFL). This thread is the most ridiculous criticism of any of our former coaches I have seen so far (and on this forum the competition for dumb criticism of former coaches is FIERCE).
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When you have Hunter, Rivera, Bray, and Patterson it's easy to look good. Just sayin':hi:
 
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TGVol said:
:eek:lol:
Do you have amnesia? Our previous staff can be blamed for a lot of things but coaching offense is NOT on that list. They put together one of the best offenses in the country (as CBJ felt first hand when they beat him up few years ago), and one of the best in school history (in 3 years). They also put great WR's into NFL (including our head coach who is obviously good enough to coach WR position in the NFL). This thread is the most ridiculous criticism of any of our former coaches I have seen so far (and on this forum the competition for dumb criticism of former coaches is FIERCE).
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Those players were even coached poorly. Those guys performed good because of their special talent. Bray and Hunter were the same players all 3 years.
 
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Burger said:
Those players were even coached poorly. Those guys performed good because of their special talent.
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And how could you possibly know this? Were you an assistant on the team and watched the practices to know how much of it was coaching vs talent? Are you some type of QB/WR coaching genius just hiding on here waiting to be discovered and hired into NFL? If not that, can you possibly be so ignorant to think that at the Division 1 (SEC which means best of the best) level it's possible to just show up and with bad coaching play as well as they did presumably just because they were physically gifted?

:no:
 
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TGVol said:
And how could you possibly know this? Were you an assistant on the team and watched the practices to know how much of it was coaching vs talent? Are you some type of QB/WR coaching genius just hiding on here waiting to be discovered and hired into NFL? If not that, can you possibly be so ignorant to think that at the Division 1 (SEC which means best of the best) level it's possible to just show up and with bad coaching play as well as they did presumably just because they were physically gifted?

:no:
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hell yea,just ask me :) i do have a remote and a big screen TV,so i can coach, just ask me :)

<<<<<CPS Rocks
 
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TGVol said:
And how could you possibly know this? Were you an assistant on the team and watched the practices to know how much of it was coaching vs talent? Are you some type of QB/WR coaching genius just hiding on here waiting to be discovered and hired into NFL? If not that, can you possibly be so ignorant to think that at the Division 1 (SEC which means best of the best) level it's possible to just show up and with bad coaching play as well as they did presumably just because they were physically gifted?
:no:
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It doesn't take being Nick Saban to be able to be able to evaluate talent. You can show up with talent and play. It's how we get our impact playing true freshmen. Just because you can't think for yourself and use your eyes doesn't mean others can't. It looks like nobody coached last year by the progress of the younger guys. I would love to coach if I can earn an opportunity because I can't play :(.
 
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Burger said:
It looks like nobody coached last year by the progress of the younger guys.
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Younger guys did not get to play much last year because people ahead of them were so good - that is the reason it may seem they are behind. As far as Dooley's WR coaches on his UT staff, do you remember Charlie Bagget? You do realize what kind of WR coaching resume he had?
Ever heard of Randy Moss, Chris Carter, Andre Rison, Mark Ingram, Plaxico Burress, Lorenzo White, etc?
Because he coached all of them and is clearly one of the best in business.
So why don't you first do some research and learn what type of offensive coaching talent we had here before you attempt to talk nonsense. Then you will understand that what Hunter and those other guys did was not random running around (our current WR coach apparently needs to do some research himself).

Here is where both of you can get started:

Scout.com: Baggett, Chaney officially added to staff
 
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Pig is good. I think he will continue to improve but I can't wait to see Vic Wharton get involved in the offense. He certainly appears to have the quickness, speed and ball skills to be excellent. It will be nice to have some added talented depth at the receiver position.

With our maturing players like North, Croom, Bowles and pig and the tremendous new talent I'm excited. I can't wait until 2015! We will win the East! Book it!
 
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Guys, let's set the record straight on Pig's success or lack thereof running the ball. Howard has 13 carries for a NET of 72 yards (5.5 yards per carry), with a long run of 20 yards (UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics - Football). Subsumed within that net are 9 yards lost rushing. Even if they all occurred on jet sweeps, as opposed to reverses, that is, what, three or four plays at the most.
 
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TGVol said:
I would hire you except you governmentmule (and I want less government, not more).
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it is like that song,tied to the whipping post

Pig is a good receiver,but our Qbs need to start looking around and not stare the receivers down,like there doing,i know that Dobbs is a freshmen,but it has been a problem all year long
 
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TGVol said:
Younger guys did not get to play much last year because people ahead of them were so good - that is the reason it may seem they are behind. As far as Dooley's WR coaches on his UT staff, do you remember Charlie Bagget? You do realize what kind of WR coaching resume he had?
Ever heard of Randy Moss, Chris Carter, Andre Rison, Mark Ingram, Plaxico Burress, Lorenzo White, etc?
Because he coached all of them and is clearly one of the best in business.
So why don't you first do some research and learn what type of offensive coaching talent we had here before you attempt to talk nonsense. Then you will understand that what Hunter and those other guys did was not random running around (our current WR coach apparently needs to do some research himself).

Here is where both of you can get started:

Scout.com: Baggett, Chaney officially added to staff
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2.5 out of 5 ain't bad. Moss was spectacular on talent. Cris Carter was an exceptional talent. Rison was ok. The others on your list were average at best.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
2.5 out of 5 ain't bad. Moss was spectacular on talent. Cris Carter was an exceptional talent. Rison was ok. The others on your list were average at best.
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My main point is about Charlie Bagget - the fact he was on Dooley's staff speaks for itself and makes the argument that we had nobody coaching receivers (or coaching them badly) sound incredibly stupid/ignorant.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
2.5 out of 5 ain't bad. Moss was spectacular on talent. Cris Carter was an exceptional talent. Rison was ok. The others on your list were average at best.
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Baggett coached Rison, Ingram, Burris and White at Michigan St. where they were all way above average college players.
 
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MegaVol said:
This speaks volumes. Not just about the past, but where the Vols are going in the future.

“Yeah, I just don’t think Pig really knew and I still think he is trying to find his way a little bit on how to be a big time player at this level. He didn’t really have any one last year to kind of show him the ropes that way, to be a consistent guy all the time. He just kind of got thrown in there as a freshman, he just kind of ran around. He didn’t really know off the field how to take care of himself, how to study the game. He didn’t really understand how to be a big time guy in meetings and be a trusted guy. He is slowly but surely starting to become that. He should be a different guy when we jog out here in the next couple weeks to offseason to spring and summer.”
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Not a Dooley supporter at all but credit should be given where due ..despite his shortcomings I think his WR coaching was excellent ..we have two starters in NFL now and third (DRogers) would have been first rounder if not ...
they had problem developing a team but WRs , they excelled at it ..(Guy is a NFL WR coach now ..)
 
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So let me get this right. You guys are saying last years coaches were better because they scored more points? Not taking into account the top three recievers, tight end and QB all went to the NFL. Well yeah that's fair a team that passed 70% of the time looses every weapon on offense and the coaches last year were better because they scored more.
Also comparing an SEC teams players to a mid majors . I hope to god TN beat them at home or Dooley would have been fired sooner.
If you want an example of last years coaches think about this. Hunter and Patterson were the two most physically gifted receivers in the draft last year. Neither one of them are starting this year in the NFL. Wonder why? Because they weren't taught how to run routes in college. They are having to be taught how to be receivers before they can start at then next level. If these two had been taught how to play the game the right way both would be dominate forces in the NFL right now .
I don't know if the coaches we have right now are the best but I know they are doing allot of great things. Bringing in the recruiting class we have with the record we've had the last few years is amazing!!!!!!!!!
When we get more playmakers on the field lets judge them then . Because you can't compare last years offense to this years any way shape or form.
 
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you got to think,they are freshmen receivers to the NFL,like we all know,passing wasn't a problem for last years team,that and no defense again are a major problem this year
 
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Big difference in a 17-18 year old kid coming to college compared to a 21-22 year old going to the NFL. Most players besides QBs aren't drafted in the first two rounds to not play. The biggest part of top rounders go right in and start.
There's plenty of articles that talk about Patterson and Hunter having to learn thir position in the NFL. I'm not saying Bagget isn't a great coach but if you have no leadership anyone can coast. There was just an interview talking about players not working out just signing in and leaving. There was a total lack of accountability with players and coaches the past few years. Coach Jones is changing that but we have to get more players in before we can judge .
Bama is a perfect example of what great recruiting can do . Bring in top three class year in and year out and win . If coach Jones brings in a couple more classes like were getting now things will change. If we get three years of top recruiting classes and still can't win I'll be the first one to say these coaches suck but there's no way I'm going to judge them with what Dooley has left them to work with.
 
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jason3713 said:
So let me get this right. You guys are saying last years coaches were better because they scored more points?.
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As far as I can tell people who are defending last staff's coaching of WR's did not start this thread or certainly did not want to get into comparison of last year's offensive staff with our new staff (our new staff would certainly come up short in that comparison right now but it's true we have a lot of young players now so it makes no sense to even get into that comparison until year 2 or 3). Few of us are simply reacting to our current WR coach trashing of his predecessors which was picked up by whoever started this stupid thread. Because once that nonsense was put out it had to be refuted (and it shows incredibly bad taste on part of our current WR coach to even go there).
 
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