Back to the 60s, Police beating college students

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NashVol11 said:
Or it teaches the person winning the fight that they can just escalate to violence and “win” even if they’re dead wrong
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Hard to win every fight. Now kids are taught the false notion that they automatically deserve respect and all to many of them resort to extreme violence when disrespected.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I think broader legal definitions of justifications like self defense and sufficient provocation would go a long way.

E.g. - I don’t have a problem with how the city of Montgomery handled that waterfront beat down of those white people last year. I think the white people probably learned a more valuable lesson from suffering immediate consequences than they would have if they had just been arrested and prosecuted over the course of several months. Hitting people with a folding chair was a bit too far and I think that guy got prosecuted, too.

I used to see **** every day that could have been handled by an ass whooping. Used to see people like your hometown guy, too. Think there’s probably a fine line between too little and too much and we’re not on it.
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My point is by the time people are adults they should know fighting isn't the solution, they also should know running their pie-holes can lead to what happened to those azzholes in Montgomery.
 
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hog88 said:
There will always be outliers.

Kids aren't nicer today, on social media they are nasty little chits to each other. We at least had to mind our tongues or else risk having to fight.
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You think the only problem with your way is outliers?

Let's find the boys who were fighting from my generation and see how they're doing now. I bet they're not doing as good as the other kids.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I think broader legal definitions of justifications like self defense and sufficient provocation would go a long way.

E.g. - I don’t have a problem with how the city of Montgomery handled that waterfront beat down of those white people last year. I think the white people probably learned a more valuable lesson from suffering immediate consequences than they would have if they had just been arrested and prosecuted over the course of several months. Hitting people with a folding chair was a bit too far and I think that guy got prosecuted, too.

I used to see **** every day that could have been handled by an ass whooping. Used to see people like your hometown guy, too. Think there’s probably a fine line between too little and too much and we’re not on it.
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I don't claim to know what the right balance is, but I totally agree you can learn a lot from an ass-whooping while still believing avoiding fights is clearly the best option for the individual.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You think the only problem with your way is outliers?

Let's find the boys who were fighting from my generation and see how they're doing now. I bet they're not doing as good as the other kids.
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I would say that you are wrong. And I'm not saying that kids shouldn't be punished for fighting, they should but it's gone way overboard now. 2 boys get into a fight there is no need to bring the cops in, give them a paddling/detention or whatever and let them learn from it.
 
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hog88 said:
I would say that you are wrong. And I'm not saying that kids shouldn't be punished for fighting, they should but it's gone way overboard now. 2 boys get into a fight there is no need to bring the cops in, give them a paddling/detention or whatever and let them learn from it.
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No way that the kids in my hometown who got in fights are doing better than the kids who didn't and I can't imagine that it's different in other places. I got a handful of guys who have died (mostly OD, 1 suicide). All the fighting type. In fact, the suicide literally happened a few days after a bad ass beating. He was my best friend's older brother.

The kids who would never get in a fight include all the churchy, honor student types. They're the doctors and lawyers now. The fighting group only has a few of those guys. Ain't no way, bro.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No way that the kids in my hometown who got in fights are doing better than the kids who didn't and I can't imagine that it's different in other places. I got a handful of guys who have died (mostly OD, 1 suicide). All the fighting type. In fact, the suicide literally happened a few days after a bad ass beating. He was my best friend's older brother.

The kids who would never get in a fight include all the churchy, honor student types. They're the doctors and lawyers now. The fighting group only has a few of those guys. Ain't no way, bro.
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I'm not talking about the kids that start trouble all the time. You always take crap to the extreme.
 
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hog88 said:
My point is by the time people are adults they should know fighting isn't the solution, they also should know running their pie-holes can lead to what happened to those azzholes in Montgomery.
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I’ve thought about this a lot so there’s a lot of nuance and uncertainty, but I think we mostly agree.
 
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The protestors are the violent ones though

t.co

Motorist charged with assault for striking CUAD protester with car at picket outside trustee’s home

<i>Updated May 8 at 7:00 p.m.</i>
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Reuven Kahane, a 57-year-old man, drove a car into a crowd of protesters on Tuesday morning at a picket organized by Columbia University Apartheid Divest in front of Barnard trustee Francine LeFrak’s home, a New York Police Department spokesperson told Spectator.
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And cops definitely not overreaching

Police arrested three individuals at the demonstration, including Kahane and the 55-year-old female protester he struck, who sustained a leg injury and was hospitalized. She and a 63-year-old male protester with CUAD were arrested for banging on the hood of the driver’s car when it drove into the crowd, the spokesperson said.
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RockyTop85 said:
I can’t find anything about him actually saying this.

The emancipation proclamation was signed closer to the start of the war than the end, and published seven months before Gettysburg. I don’t know of any consideration being given to reinstitution slavery between the proclamation and passage of the 13th Amendment by Congress, Lincoln’s assassination, or ratification of the 13th amendment.

Was that a real quote/paraphrase or just your conclusion about what his thoughts were?
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Hold on. When I get back to the job I’ll look it up for you
 
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hog88 said:
There will always be outliers.

Kids aren't nicer today, on social media they are nasty little chits to each other. We at least had to mind our tongues or else risk having to fight.
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All that we know for sure is that there is a new way for kids to interact and sometimes they aren't nice doing it.

When I come across my nieces' and nephews' social media, all I see are likes and friends hyping them up.
 
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LouderVol said:
I have always said my memory is like a rusty steel bear trap. It may not catch everything it comes across, but what it does it holds on to. problem is finding the bears.
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I can remember my HS girlfriend's phone number and that memory is almost 40 years old.

No idea what I did last week.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Oh NOW you’ll look things up for people? Lol

(I mean this in the most lighthearted way possible)
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Yes non trolls who actually want to discuss things
And we should be able to take shots at each other and still go catch a Yankees game together
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
A lot of those went too.

It's a draft. You're romanticizing the government forcing young men into the meat grinder.

I don't understand you people.
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Being in college gave you a draft deferral (Bill Clinton says hey). It was said that rich daddy could get you out of being drafted too. Or you could join the National Guard (GWB) so you'd never leave the country. Then there were all the bone spur, conscientious objector, etc. angles.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I can’t find anything about him actually saying this.

The emancipation proclamation was signed closer to the start of the war than the end, and published seven months before Gettysburg. I don’t know of any consideration being given to reinstitution slavery between the proclamation and passage of the 13th Amendment by Congress, Lincoln’s assassination, or ratification of the 13th amendment.

Was that a real quote/paraphrase or just your conclusion about what his thoughts were?
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Here’s part of it. The send them back to Africa.
www.history.com

When Abraham Lincoln Tried to Resettle Free Black Americans in the Caribbean | HISTORY

Lincoln wanted to end slavery—but wasn’t keen on integrating African Americans into US society. His first attempt to send them offshore proved disastrous.
www.history.com www.history.com

The quote was probably more of a paraphrase as I was going from an old memory but I’ll find that too.
 
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