Bad Day for Wisconsin

[utgibbs]

It was a bad day for Wisconsin, but was it a good day for the world?

It has been great to see the Class War so naked and in such bold technicolor. Walker et al. gave 140 million in cuts and new spending to corporations in order to create a $137 million deficit. And they took it from the teachers. Not since the Haymarket massacre has the Class War been so brutal and in our faces.

The working class is totally disenfranchised from the parliamentary system now. The Democrats would have been more conciliatory, but Capital, in its now terminal structural crisis, would have demanded much the same from them. And they would have obliged.

We are truly at another "Taxation without Representation" moment in our history. Will this spark a mass movement?

Doubtful. Walker may be recalled, it is true. But his job is done. Reformist movements after WWII were fine, since Capital cannot distinguish between production and destruction. But now that Capital is in its terminal crisis, it must first take back what was won in order to sustain itself. Which is why the "social democracies" across Europe have undergone metamorphosis into "New Labour" and the rest. The forces of absolute reaction - Walker Republicans and Cameron's "New Conservatives" are unapologetic in their obsequience to Capital.

We are a debauched culture at the End-Times of Capitalism. We will continue to sink into despotism, I fear, unless the culture is morally, rationally, and irreversibly rejuvenated.

 

[MG1968]

blah blah blah

Federal employees don't have collective bargaining rights.

The left makes it sound as though every public employee in the state of Wisconsin is going to suddenly be paid minimum wage with zero benefits.

You people (yeah, I said, "you people") need to unbunch your panties and get your well-fed asses back to work.

 

[utgibbs]

blah blah blah

Federal employees don't have collective bargaining rights.

The left makes it sound as though every public employee in the state of Wisconsin is going to suddenly be paid minimum wage with zero benefits.

You people (yeah, I said, "you people") need to unbunch your panties and get your well-fed asses back to work.

Several of them are, I believe, going to be paid much less than minimum wage...

Ah, the Class War. It's great to see it in such glorious Technicolor.

All stemming from a "crisis" engineered by Walker himself. Capital would collapse in a week without the vital inputs by the State.

 

[Cartervol]

blah blah blah

Federal employees don't have collective bargaining rights.

The left makes it sound as though every public employee in the state of Wisconsin is going to suddenly be paid minimum wage with zero benefits.

You people (yeah, I said, "you people") need to unbunch your panties and get your well-fed asses back to work.

Yep, quite crying about what they can't pay you (because the state is broke) and find a solution.
What am i saying? They'll spin it negatively and hope for a leprechaun with a magic pot of gold to pay for it all. The entitlements have to go , it's killing their budgets and crippling the states budgets.

 

[joevol320]

you are so ignorant on this.

 

[droski]

public employees make too much money to still be considered the working class.

 

[Cartervol]

public employees make too much money to still be considered the working class.

Agreed, they also fail at their overpaid jobs or we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Several of them are, I believe, going to be paid much less than minimum wage...

Ah, the Class War. It's great to see it in such glorious Technicolor.

All stemming from a "crisis" engineered by Walker himself. Capital would collapse in a week without the vital inputs by the State.

If some of them do get paid less then minimum wage, which I doubt will happen, then maybe it is because that is the right wage for the right skill level. The gravy train has run out of gravy. Gravy = Tax payers

 

[droski]

If some of them do get paid less then minimum wage, which I doubt will happen, then maybe it is because that is the right wage for the right skill level. The gravy train has run out of gravy. Gravy = Tax payers

gibbs is all about teh "living wage." of course he doesn't tell us what a living wage is. apparently a living wage is annual six figure retirement benefits. i'd appreciate a living wage of that variety.

 

[utvolpj]

If some of them do get paid less then minimum wage, which I doubt will happen, then maybe it is because that is the right wage for the right skill level. The gravy train has run out of gravy. Gravy = Tax payers

I would guarantee some make below min wage because the fat will be cut and they'll be without a job

eh, who am I kidding?

 

[hohenfelsvol]

eh, who am I kidding?

Not Gibbs

 

[JayVols]

gibbs is all about teh "living wage." of course he doesn't tell us what a living wage is. apparently a living wage is annual six figure retirement benefits. i'd appreciate a living wage of that variety.

I would take that six figure gig...
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[Cartervol]

I would take that six figure gig...
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You would probably do a better job than some of the educated idiots that have them, might be a little nicer too.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

gibbs is all about teh "living wage." of course he doesn't tell us what a living wage is. apparently a living wage is annual six figure retirement benefits. i'd appreciate a living wage of that variety.

Man can't live without his four bedroom house, Cadillac, 60 inch flat screen, NFL package and golf membership. Not possible.

 

[JayVols]

You would probably do a better job than some of the educated idiots that have them, might be a little nicer too.

I do believe that if something is worth doing, it's worth doing right. I also believe that you catch more flies with honey rather than vinegar. Attitude means a lot. TIFWIW.
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[joevol320]

public employees make too much money to still be considered the working class.

i was reading about some contract specifics. one was if an employee is off work and receives a work call, he can count that towards 30min of overtime. there also had buss drivers making over 100,000 a year. how stupid is that.

 

[JayVols]

i was reading about some contract specifics. one was if an employee is off work and receives a work call, he can count that towards 30min of overtime. there also had buss drivers making over 100,000 a year. bus drivers how stupid is that.

Is it hard to pass a CDL test? If not, give me that funny hat and a set of keys!
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[utvolpj]

public employees make too much money to still be considered the working class.

when it comes to threads like this I don't even know who the working class is anymore

 

[Volst53]

Man can't live without his four bedroom house, Cadillac, 60 inch flat screen, NFL package and golf membership. Not possible.

Truth

 

[joevol320]

Is it hard to pass a CDL test? If not, give me that funny hat and a set of keys!
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jayvols, i messed up my posting. i wasn't questioning their intelligence. just the fact that they're getting 6 figure salaries.

 

[JayVols]

jayvols, i messed up my posting. i wasn't questioning their intelligence. just the fact that they're getting 6 figure salaries.

I'm not stupid. Just semi-mechanically challenged. I just want the six figures.
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[sjt18]

It has been great to see the Class War so naked and in such bold technicolor. Walker et al. gave 140 million in cuts and new spending to corporations in order to create a $137 million deficit. And they took it from the teachers. Not since the Haymarket massacre has the Class War been so brutal and in our faces.

So IOW's, teachers lost the "right" to extort money from school boards. The corrupt system used by Dems and public sector unions was inhibited. And private wealth creation got a boost to help lift Wisconsin out of economic malaisse.... and predictably you have a problem with all of that.

The working class is totally disenfranchised from the parliamentary system now.

No they aren't. The circle of corruption has simply been broken. Please tell me that you do not think it is right for organized labor to collect dues (sometimes from the unwilling because of laws passed by Dems), use those dues to campaign for Dems who in turn give them even more taxpayer money so they can contribute more so they can get more so they can contribute more.... The tax payer who makes about half what these Wi teachers make AND pay more for their benefits deserve better than that.

The Democrats would have been more conciliatory, but Capital, in its now terminal structural crisis, would have demanded much the same from them. And they would have obliged.

Wow. Please tell me that you do not have access to explosives or fire arms.

We are truly at another "Taxation without Representation" moment in our history. Will this spark a mass movement?

Actually WI took a major step back from that. No longer can tax dollars be laundered into the campaign coffers of politicians who serve only an "elite" few.

We are a debauched culture at the End-Times of Capitalism. We will continue to sink into despotism, I fear, unless the culture is morally, rationally, and irreversibly rejuvenated.

Increased concentration of power in the hands of the "elites" of gov't, big business, labor, media, academia, etc are far, far, far more likely to lead to despotism than market freedom.

You really need to leave us alone to destroy ourselves and join one of these socialist panaceas that you seem to imagine.

The truth is that socialist Europe has come to the realization that several of us have been trying to convince you of... centrally planned economies don't work. They don't redistribute wealth more equitably. They don't rescue the poor. They certainly don't create more wealth to be shared within a society.

Your ideals in full flower... give us Greece.

 

[utgibbs]

Ah, the Class War in glorious Technicolor.

Riddle me this VolNation:

Tax cuts for Corporations 2010: $140 million

Budget deficit 2011: $137 million

Corporations put nothing back into the Wisconsin economy last year.

Now, tell me about who deserves what, VolNation. I'm all ears.

 

[utgibbs]

public employees make too much money to still be considered the working class.

droski, could you help us out on the remuneration package for teachers in Tennessee. I'd like to compare notes, especially regarding pensions.

 

[MG1968]

Ah, the Class War in glorious Technicolor.

Riddle me this VolNation:

Tax cuts for Corporations 2010: $140 million

Budget deficit 2011: $137 million

Corporations put nothing back into the Wisconsin economy last year.

Now, tell me about who deserves what, VolNation. I'm all ears.

corporations create jobs, and with Illinois raising their corporate income tax, Wisconsin is trying to attract business away from Illinois.

One of Walker's campaign promises was to create a boom which created 250K private sector jobs. If he doesn't live up to that, he can be voted out of office in 2014.

I'm all for giving the private sector a chance. Government has proven it can't properly manage money or create jobs.