Bad National Press Will Add to TN's Woes

[teacherdean]

I am guessing you did not read the actual story which included passages like these:


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Voepel concludes that the LVs have the talent to go far but they need to clean up issues with concentration adn execution and that this game needs to be a wake-up call.

Sorry, it is not the Holly bashing, the LVs are doomed piece you seem to want.

While the article is not a complete indictment of Holly's coaching, it does indicate that it is on her back to show improvement by the end of the year. Major programs have high expectations, if you can't stand the heat then get out the kitchen. There is pressure on Holly to produce or articles will indict Holly's coaching abilities. This is not just a basketball team, this is the game that Pat brought to the forefront. It does not matter if we love or hate Holly's coaching, she is coaching in a glass house. She knows defense, no question, but where is the offense, we have had four years to correct this glaring issue.

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

So I ask this as a casual lady Vol fan. I dont consider it my right to ask for termination of a coach of a sport ill never pay for a ticket or rarely buy merchandise for. For the women in my life ill occasionally buy something Lady Vols for the Wife, daughter or mother but me never. If Tyler Summitt Were the coach here with same results as Holly. How much more leeway would he have?

 

[Volstylexx]

I am guessing you did not read the actual story which included passages like these:


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Voepel concludes that the LVs have the talent to go far but they need to clean up issues with concentration adn execution and that this game needs to be a wake-up call.

Sorry, it is not the Holly bashing, the LVs are doomed piece you seem to want.

Yes I read the story and if you think it's rosy and happy, you're wrong. You don't see headlines about elite teams asking if it's time to worry. The article is a direct challenge to our coach's abilities. Don't kid yourself.

 

[Beeguy]

Come on Coach, Show some emotion on the court. Get in the face of the players and be the coach not their friend. Heck maybe even get a technical from the officials. Demand hustle on every play of every game but also show the players you have their back and you will fight for them also.

 

[teacherdean]

Tennessee fell to #-8 in the AP Poll.

They can also go up in the polls with a couple of good wins.

Those wins will have to come from beating the likes of Oregon State, not Stanford for they are weak, however, Stanford is a must win. Close games against cupcakes will not, and should not, help the LV's. They need to convincingly, leaving no doubt, beat the remaining cupcakes. Winning close games against rated teams, will not hurt them but a few games like the Texas game, will be a killer. Using an old southern saying, the Lady Vol's have a hard row to hoe, but it can be done.

 

[Ladyvol777]

This is the team goal. It is every year. HW will not get them to the SEC championship game, much less the final 4. I see at least 10 losses with this team. HW probably is a good person. She's no head coach though. She's a lifetime assistant. She's terrible as head coach. Said this last year as well.

No way dose Tennessee lose 10 games this year.:rock:

 

[teacherdean]

So I ask this as a casual lady Vol fan. I dont considee it my right to ask for termination of a coach of a sport ill never pay for a ticket or rarely buy merchandise for. For the women in my life ill occasionally buy something Lady Vols fir Wife, daughter or mother but me never. If Tyler Summitt Were the coach here with same results as Holly. How much more leeway would he have?

To be fair the expectations should be the same no matter who the coach is for the Lady Vol. I certainly do not consider Tyler to absolute be the savior of our program. No matter where the bar is set, it should never be lowered.

By the way, UCONN left no doubt when they played the Mocs. We see the bar we must work to meet in the same way when Pat set the bar for other programs to reach. 80% wins are great, but if you can't win the big ones, you only have wins and no trophies. Great teams win on the big stage, and do not accept or make excuses for failure to meet their goals.

 

[Volstylexx]

To be fair the expectations should be the same no matter who the coach is for the Lady Vol. I certainly do not consider Tyler to absolute be the savior of our program. No matter where the bar is set, it should never be lowered.

By the way, UCONN left no doubt when they played the Mocs. We see the bar we must work to meet in the same way when Pat set the bar for other programs to reach. 80% wins are great, but if you can't win the big ones, you only have wins and no trophies. Great teams win on the big stage, and do not accept or make excuses for failure to meet their goals.

Truth.

 

[GameTime]

Ivey don't put a lot of value in percentages.....

Custer won a large percentage of his engagements., but he is known for the one big loss. But you are a fun poster and I enjoy your commentary..

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

To be fair the expectations should be the same no matter who the coach is for the Lady Vol. I certainly do not consider Tyler to absolute be the savior of our program. No matter where the bar is set, it should never be lowered.

By the way, UCONN left no doubt when they played the Mocs. We see the bar we must work to meet in the same way when Pat set the bar for other programs to reach. 80% wins are great, but if you can't win the big ones, you only have wins and no trophies. Great teams win on the big stage, and do not accept or make excuses for failure to meet their goals.

That is what I was curious to get feelings of true Lady Vols fans that bleed and watch them. I assume many would give Tyler a pass based off his last name.

 

[Volstylexx]

In case anyone is wondering, here's headlines written about our competition....

 

[Volstylexx]

and for comparison's sake...

 

[Darth_Vol]

So I ask this as a casual lady Vol fan. I dont consider it my right to ask for termination of a coach of a sport ill never pay for a ticket or rarely buy merchandise for. For the women in my life ill occasionally buy something Lady Vols for the Wife, daughter or mother but me never. If Tyler Summitt Were the coach here with same results as Holly. How much more leeway would he have?

Interesting question. He probably would have had more leeway his first three years based on last name and the fact that he is 32 years younger with presumably a much higher ceiling for improvement. If he and his team still looked this clueless into his fourth season, I think that goes out the window and you would see a similar reaction to what's going on now. Year four is really a make or break year for any new coach. It will be interesting to see where Tyler is after another couple of seasons at La. Tech...

 

[Pat4life]

Wow. Is the season over? Did we finish with a losing record? oh its only the 6th game. Curious to see how Texas deals with MSU.

Go Lady Vols, and this article is great cos it further calling out our guard play. And to make it to the final four we need better guard play. You can do it ladies.

I don't see how people can love the Lady Vols and hate HOlly so much.

I back Pat and roll with Holly. Thud. Thud.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

and for comparison's sake...

At least it was the better game to watch than the one against UConn. After halftime, nobody watched the finished UConn game.

 

[Pat4life]

Ivey don't put a lot of value in percentages.....

Custer won a large percentage of his engagements., but he is known for the one big loss. But you are a fun poster and I enjoy your commentary..

Holly don't win any more games or any more conference championships. Just kidding... You know how many coaches haven't gotten over that hump, over 300, besides Tara, Kim, Brenda, Geno, Muffett, Jeff, who am I missing, on recently Dawn has reached the final four in the past how many years.

And Holly who is a good coach will figure out how to get over that hump, I do believe that.

Winning or percentage don't matter. We are above that, but one lost to TExas and every one has lost the rabbid mind.

Whateva.

 

[jj87]

To be fair the expectations should be the same no matter who the coach is for the Lady Vol. I certainly do not consider Tyler to absolute be the savior of our program. No matter where the bar is set, it should never be lowered.

By the way, UCONN left no doubt when they played the Mocs. We see the bar we must work to meet in the same way when Pat set the bar for other programs to reach. 80% wins are great, but if you can't win the big ones, you only have wins and no trophies. Great teams win on the big stage, and do not accept or make excuses for failure to meet their goals.

I had a front row seat at McKenzie arena tonight and UConn literally dismantled the Mocs. The Husky's played a lot of full court press and UTC's offense was never able to get in a rhythm and were taking most shots out of desperation because of the shot clock winding down. UConn seems to have an abundance of tall post player who can get the job done inside. In the Texas game, the Lady Vols were missing layups and easy jumpers, UConn seemed to make every "easy" shot and/or open look they got. By no means am I bashing Holly or the players. I just feel like they need a sense of urgency and aggression. I watched a lot of Pat's games growing up (we never watched the men) and Pat's teams always had the ability to overwhelm an opponent and be able to go for the jugular early. Last Monday, the Lady Vols had a 19 point lead on UTC and blew 17 points of it. Pat's great teams wouldn't have let UTC get up off the mat.

 

[Pat4life]

Nice post. WElcome.

It took Pat years to develop that product.

All the miss layups and bad shooting let us know the players are not getting in the gym on their own.

A sense of urgency, aggression and purpose, Lady Vols basketball.

 

[BruisedOrange]

Come on Coach, Show some emotion on the court. Get in the face of the players and be the coach not their friend. Heck maybe even get a technical from the officials. Demand hustle on every play of every game but also show the players you have their back and you will fight for them also.

I'll go out on a limb and guess you don't have season tickets within earshot of the home bench.

Sports are so much more enjoyable when we aren't demanding that the people actually doing the work reflect what we as spectators are feeling at the moment.

 

[mcannon1]

Holly don't win any more games or any more conference championships. Just kidding... You know how many coaches haven't gotten over that hump, over 300, besides Tara, Kim, Brenda, Geno, Muffett, Jeff, who am I missing, on recently Dawn has reached the final four in the past how many years.

And Holly who is a good coach will figure out how to get over that hump, I do believe that.

Winning or percentage don't matter. We are above that, but one lost to TExas and every one has lost the rabbid mind.

Whateva.

It's not ONE loss that bothers me. It is how the team looks lost in games like the Texas game. Think of second half vs. S. C. in the 2015 SEC tournament. The two NCAA losses to Maryland. The NCAA loss to Louisville. Our team was beyond ineffective at offense; we didn't defend the three; nothing was set up for shooters to get open looks; and on and on and.....

 

[teacherdean]

Which is why losing this last game was better than winning it.

Tennessee fans, in their spoiled, entitlement-fueled desire to see "their" team completely decimate the opponent, often cannot (will not) see the big picture. They do not consider the fact that this team lost three senior starters and has infused several new parts into the system; they have to learn to play together, but the "fans" have neither the time nor the patience for any kind of learning curve. They take tidbits from what Holly says in pressers (and admittedly, she is not a great interview, but she doesn't have to be) and embellish it/add to it/speculate about it until they attribute things to her that are completely false (for example, the team never practices offense). At some point, these fans need to get a grip.

There is no game that is better to lose than to win, especially when it is a team rated lower than you and on your home floor. This team needs a workable offense no matter what the problem is. I love the D but the O needs some fixing. That is something we all need to get a grip on. As far as fire Holly now, that is the wrong road to go down, however, if we fail to meet our goal and we fail again at recruiting our areas of need, an evaluation is in order of Holly and her staff. That will be up to the AD and administration and not the fans.

 

[volfanIND]

I've never seen so many threads spawning on VolNation before. It's funny to sit back and watch who is carrying the pitchforks and fire torches, and who is carrying the buckets of water.

The Texas game was a 'wake up call'
No... No it wasn't. The wake up call was Penn State/Syracuse/Chattanooga/Albany. The turnovers/offense was absolutely appalling.

Fire Warlick.
No reason, no excuse, to not be in the final four. If this doesn't happen, then you start looking at this issue. The season is LONG. Their is still time. Our goal is not to go undefeated.
Side Note. Tyler actually respects what his mother built here, he is not coming ANYWHERE close to here until he can prove to himself that he has what it takes to win. He is a VERY smart man, and will not take the chance to fail here. He will only come here if he knows he can carry on what his mother did.

Offense/Defense
It is without a doubt, you have to have defense to win a championship. Defense alone will not win you the championship. If you hold your opponent to a low scoring game, then in return, you would need to score more points than them. This is our struggle.
I'm about to send Holly a letter in the mail to help her because it's clear she needs it.
Offense isn't created by dribbling, offense is created by passing. Offense will move/work faster if you pass rather than dribble. I don't like UCONN. I hands down respect them though!!! They pass more than they dribble. If you cross out the words Geno/Uconn in this article and fill it in with other names, you should be able to stomach this write-up. This SAME article is Tennessee in the 90's.
How the top-ranked Connecticut Huskies stay motivated

All of Holly's team focus on defense/rebounding. They have done fairly well with this. I understand our former Dear Leader perfected this to a 'T', and this is where it comes from. In order for us to meet our goal, we are going to have to implement a passing offense.

Lastly, we have to get back to being mentally tough. In the past, we used to walk on the floor with a game face on, and determination, and we played every possession like it was our last. We used to play fearless, competitive (with each other, and against our opponent). We had coach to player accountability. We were mean. We were badass orange. We have to find that attitude and wear it again.

We have the players to do it. 3 of the coach's have been around the LV's long enough, and should know how to bring it out in the players. I feel like Coop and Diamond are trying to bring it, Coop I think is just trying to hard. These ladies need strong leadership, and these ladies need a map on how to get it done.

The arc wasn't built in a day, but progress was made on it everyday! Someone give me my whistle, I'm coming to Knoxville!

 

[brassie]

"Offense isn't created by dribbling, offense is created by passing. Offense will move/work faster if you pass rather than dribble."

A quote from the article you linked citing passing as the reason why the UConn team has so many assists.
"The root of all of that great passing, Auriemma says, comes from focusing on that talent -- or at least the willingness to develop it -- in recruits."

A couple of key numbers that prove your point about passing vs dribbling -

UConn assist ranking - 5th
UT assist ranking - 75th

UT has had poor assist numbers for years. JMO but I think it is a reflection on a coaching staff focused on defense over offense and individual over team.
A good defense is perhaps more important than a good offense but the game is played on both ends of the court.

 

[LVJeff]

Ivey don't put a lot of value in percentages.....

Custer won a large percentage of his engagements., but he is known for the one big loss...

Good one!

 

[Born4UT]

"Offense isn't created by dribbling, offense is created by passing. Offense will move/work faster if you pass rather than dribble."

A quote from the article you linked citing passing as the reason why the UConn team has so many assists.
"The root of all of that great passing, Auriemma says, comes from focusing on that talent -- or at least the willingness to develop it -- in recruits."

A couple of key numbers that prove your point about passing vs dribbling -

UConn assist ranking - 5th
UT assist ranking - 75th

UT has had poor assist numbers for years. JMO but I think it is a reflection on a coaching staff focused on defense over offense and individual over team.
A good defense is perhaps more important than a good offense but the game is played on both ends of the court.

I couldn't agree more with your assessment. After watching our first few games of the year, it appears that we still have trouble passing the ball to our teammates. The ladies need to understand when and how to make a pass. I can't recall how many times we've been baited into making a terrible entry pass into a post player. This team has a very difficult time reading the defense and knowing when to make the correct pass. Another problem with our offense is that we stand in a single spot on the floor too often, we have to add more motion to our offense. As for the argument that we win over 80% of our games, we should because we have better talent than 90% of the teams that we play against. I'm not saying that we should fire Holly Warlick, but she must improve for us to get back to the level we expect are ladies to compete. We shouldn't have to lose a game every year for the team to become focused, they should be ready to play every game.