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#53
#53
AM64 said:
Higher education without a cause may well be a scam. However, higher education is essential to a number of more scientific fields. I can't imagine engineering without higher education - in person higher education at that. The same for medicine.
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In the scientific fields higher education is a must. Unfortunately mixed in with the very knowledge that makes me a critically thinking nurse, we are required to include courses to make you “ a well rounded person” ... the social sciences. I did well in those classes by parroting what I heard and not really assigning much significance to their ... ill just say it... some of the bs that was taught. Rote learning at its best only to get credits to graduate.
Now they want to script what we say to patients and they are teaching that in school to incoming nurses. We have to use the word “always “ with every sentence hoping they will score us a 9 or 10 on surveys. The reason behind that is hcap scores and reimbursement. Money. I would be lying to my patient if I used that word with every circumstance.
I give scripting as much though as I do a man I just put a Foley catheter in his penis and him wanting to be called Bella. Lying to your patient is bad, lying to yourself is even worse.
Let the missles fly.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
In the scientific fields higher education is a must. Unfortunately mixed in with the very knowledge that makes me a critically thinking nurse, we are required to include courses to make you “ a well rounded person” ... the social sciences. I did well in those classes by parroting what I heard and not really assigning much significance to their ... ill just say it... some of the bs that was taught. Rote learning at its best only to get credits to graduate.
Now they want to script what we say to patients and they are teaching that in school to incoming nurses. We have to use the word “always “ with every sentence hoping they will score us a 9 or 10 on surveys. The reason behind that is hcap scores and reimbursement. Money. I would be lying to my patient if I used that word with every circumstance.
I give scripting as much though as I do a man I just put a Foley catheter in his penis and him wanting to be called Bella. Lying to your patient is bad, lying to yourself is even worse.
Let the missles fly.
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With almost twenty years of teaching now under my belt, I still can't figure out how taking Anthropology and memorizing the number of teeth a gorilla has vs a human made me a better teacher or person. I'd have rather had that three hours to invest in something else (or not have to pay for it all at).

And I much prefer an honest and straightforward nurse who can find the vein on the first or second try than one who will blow smoke up my nose while missing it for the eighth time.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
In the scientific fields higher education is a must. Unfortunately mixed in with the very knowledge that makes me a critically thinking nurse, we are required to include courses to make you “ a well rounded person” ... the social sciences. I did well in those classes by parroting what I heard and not really assigning much significance to their ... ill just say it... some of the bs that was taught. Rote learning at its best only to get credits to graduate.
Now they want to script what we say to patients and they are teaching that in school to incoming nurses. We have to use the word “always “ with every sentence hoping they will score us a 9 or 10 on surveys. The reason behind that is hcap scores and reimbursement. Money. I would be lying to my patient if I used that word with every circumstance.
I give scripting as much though as I do a man I just put a Foley catheter in his penis and him wanting to be called Bella. Lying to your patient is bad, lying to yourself is even worse.
Let the missles fly.
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No missiles. You are spot on.
 
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AshG said:
With almost twenty years of teaching now under my belt, I still can't figure out how taking Anthropology and memorizing the number of teeth a gorilla has vs a human made me a better teacher or person. I'd have rather had that three hours to invest in something else (or not have to pay for it all at).

And I much prefer an honest and straightforward nurse who can find the vein on the first or second try than one who will blow smoke up my nose while missing it for the eighth time.
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Putting a small steel pipe into a vein in my opinion is an amazing skill. I couldn't do it.
 
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AshG said:
With almost twenty years of teaching now under my belt, I still can't figure out how taking Anthropology and memorizing the number of teeth a gorilla has vs a human made me a better teacher or person. I'd have rather had that three hours to invest in something else (or not have to pay for it all at).

And I much prefer an honest and straightforward nurse who can find the vein on the first or second try than one who will blow smoke up my nose while missing it for the eighth time.
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There is no 8th time, she suck’s at phlebotomy.

Edit: we call in the specialist after 2 attempts. I’m about to learn ultrasound guided phlebotomy Friday. I’ve been begging to learn this for 3 years. One and done. My patients shouldn’t suffer 8 attempts. I’m really excited to learn this so I can give my pt a less traumatic experience with me.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Putting a small steel pipe into a vein in my opinion is an amazing skill. I couldn't do it.
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It is my Achilles heel with nursing. I’ve been critical care for 16 years. I will overcome this deficit in this area. I’ve always had central lines to do whatever I wanted but the peripheral IVs I have sucked at for 16 years. I consider it my personal challenge. Not for long.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
It is my Achilles heel with nursing. I’ve been critical care for 16 years. I will overcome this deficit in this area. I’ve always had central lines to do whatever I wanted but the peripheral IVs I have sucked at for 16 years. I consider it my personal challenge. Not for long.
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I am fortunate. All the phlebotomists at One Blood have told me they can hit my veins blind folded from across the room. I guess that is why I don't mind donating blood.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I am fortunate. All the phlebotomists at One Blood have told me they can hit my veins blind folded from across the room. I guess that is why I don't mind donating blood.
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Playin guitar for 40 years, forearm blue veins are quite prominent.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
It is my Achilles heel with nursing. I’ve been critical care for 16 years. I will overcome this deficit in this area. I’ve always had central lines to do whatever I wanted but the peripheral IVs I have sucked at for 16 years. I consider it my personal challenge. Not for long.
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My wife was apparently pretty good at IVs, but she hated running across people with rolling veins. She just looks at my hands and arms like "you're so easy."
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I am fortunate. All the phlebotomists at One Blood have told me they can hit my veins blind folded from across the room. I guess that is why I don't mind donating blood.
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Sometimes I can’t turn my nurse off when I look at peoples veins, I’m like even I could get that one. I’m weird.
 
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AM64 said:
My wife was apparently pretty good at IVs, but she hated running across people with rolling veins. She just looks at my hands and arms like "you're so easy."
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I’m glad I’m not there only one who can’t turn my nurse off.
 
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Back to the OP

Video on the subject matter. By Grandvol and pete buttigieg's boys.



P-hacking. Seems like they through in extra variables and weed out the ones that hurt their certainty.

Seen that a lot with the Covid stuff that comes out. Like the NC school mask experiment, where they didnt even alter the mask usage between test subjects. They controlled for other items, but attribute the success to one, masks.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
There is no 8th time, she suck’s at phlebotomy.

Edit: we call in the specialist after 2 attempts. I’m about to learn ultrasound guided phlebotomy Friday. I’ve been begging to learn this for 3 years. One and done. My patients shouldn’t suffer 8 attempts. I’m really excited to learn this so I can give my pt a less traumatic experience with me.
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I was reading a reddit forum this morning that you would have found interesting. It was dealing with the "experts" and how they are giving advice about COVID. They had a really low opinion of nurses...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I was reading a reddit forum this morning that you would have found interesting. It was dealing with the "experts" and how they are giving advice about COVID. They had a really low opinion of nurses...
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There are some nurses I don’t have a very high opinion of. Some I have worked with I wonder how they got through nursing school or even passed an anatomy & physiology class.
 
#73
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NurseGoodVol said:
There are some nurses I don’t have a very high opinion of. Some I have worked with I wonder how they got through nursing school or even passed an anatomy & physiology class.
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I'm sure the same could be said of doctors, also. Just because someone has an MD behind their name, that doesn't necessarily make them subject matter experts. No different than some engineers I work with or any other profession.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm sure the same could be said of doctors, also. Just because someone has an MD behind their name, that doesn't necessarily make them subject matter experts. No different than some engineers I work with or any other profession.
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What do you call the person who graduated last from medical school? Doctor.
 
#75
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The "publish or perish" system has created an environment where you are incentivized to either fudge your data, or research things that you already know to be true. I've yet to see a journal that is interested in insignificant findings, and very rarely are they interested in replication studies. This means that if we think something is true, and research shows it to not be true, journals aren't interested. This also means we must accept the findings of previous research, because a study trying to replicate those previous findings will not be accepted. Therefore, it is a waste of time to do either.
 
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