Bama BB shooting event per police report

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CAVPUT said:
To my mind, it doesn't matter who "owned" the gun. Miller brought A GUN to a scene that led to a MURDER. If he hadn't done that, maybe there's no killing? Then there's the report that other bama players prevented the victim from leaving. If they don't do that, maybe there's no death? Sorry, but there has to be some accountability for those acts.
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“Frankly, we’ve never found ‘accountability’ to be all that essential to the process.”

- The University of Alabama
 
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WTH is wrong with people.

Your guy(s) participated in a murder and you thought it was ok to go along business as usual?

I don’t care that charges haven’t been made, that is a whole other story. This wasn’t wrong place, wrong time. His act created the wrong place, wrong time. Is this another one of those we disciplined “internally”? UA is an effing bad joke.
 
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Has to be good for the gump’s recruiting. We will stand behind you, even if you are an accessory to murder. Of course you have to be a good player.
 
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turbovol said:
Actually, I've just read the ESPN story a second time, and see that I apparently got the facts wrong.

Miles asked Miller to bring him /his/ gun--meaning Miles's gun. The gun belonged to Miles, and Miller simply brought it to him. I thought that Miller was the gun owner and had given his gun to Miles, which would have been a crime, I believe, but that's apparently not the case. That would explain why Miller hasn't been charged.
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Yeah well, isn't it CONVENIENT that it wasn't Miller's gun?? Let's see an investigation into THAT. (Obviously from Law Enforcement outside Tuscaloosa or ALABAMA even) This whole thing reeks to Hell and back.
 
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Neither Player should be playing and Miller taking a gun to a intoxicated friend at a night club that late sure he can be charged with a gun felony charge it doesn't matter if it's not his. The family will bring a major civil suit because if Miller does not bring the gun and he and Bradley do not block road then there is no shooting at all. Very Sad Nate Oats comments this University should and most likely will be scrutinized by National Media that will result in both players playing careers done at Bama. Pressure on DA to charge them especially Miller will likely come as well. It all Stinks. In CHRIST Alone.
 
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I think a lot of folks, mainly Bammers of course, are trying to keep this situation out in the weeds. "It wasn't Miller's gun." "He didn't know what was going to happen." "He wasn't involved in the altercation." That's not the damn point.

The POINT is this - Do these guys represent Alabama athletics? Did they conduct themselves appropriately? Is what they did representative of the standard for Alabama athletes?

The answer to anyone with common sense would be "hell no." That is why they shouldn't be playing basketball for Alabama. Most schools have suspended or removed players for much less. But apparently, for Nate Oats and friends, the answer is "hell yeah they represent Alabama athletics." That is an absolute and utter joke, and it tells us something about both the Alabama athletic department and Nate Oats.
 
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DawgInterloper said:
I never take media reports at face value, but hypothetically if a friend texts me from a public place and says "bring me my gun", I'd say no unless a very compelling explanation followed. I'd tell him to leave ASAP, or that I'll call the cops if he or someone else is in danger. I would not get in my car and bring him a loaded weapon because if the situation allows for me to deliver it, that sounds like a situation where he has options that don't involve shooting someone. I don't know if that action would meet the definition of a chargeable offense, but wouldn't want to find out.
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It was his own teammate to top it all off. Your teammate asks for a gun and your first response is "lol no problem, I'm OMW!"?

This speaks to a massive culture problem within that program. My suspicion is that Oats is win at all costs, don't give a damn about leadership or teambuilding or cultivating men kind of guy. If you are as highly coveted as Miller, would you not think to yourself "my teammate is asking for a gun, maybe I should refuse and let someone know"? That to me says there's a lack of leadership in that building and much more beneath the surface than we can imagine.

Like I said earlier, I used to think Oats was one of the best, if not the best, coaches in the country. (Tough situation to be in, especially since he's in Crimson now.) But no more. I wouldn't provide dirty water to the guy if he were on fire now.
 
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Reading more about it, it gets even worse. Miller didn't just randomly loan him a gun, he brought it to him while the conflict was ongoing. And it looks like he may have blocked in the victims Jeep to keep them from leaving the scene.

And all because a young woman told this POS murderer that she didn't want to talk to him. What an absolute senseless and horrible tragedy.
 
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RAVOL said:
Neither Player should be playing and Miller taking a gun to a intoxicated friend at a night club that late sure he can be charged with a gun felony charge it doesn't matter if it's not his. The family will bring a major civil suit because if Miller does not bring the gun and he and Bradley do not block road then there is no shooting at all. Very Sad Nate Oats comments this University should and most likely will be scrutinized by National Media that will result in both players playing careers done at Bama. Pressure on DA to charge them especially Miller will likely come as well. It all Stinks. In CHRIST Alone.
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Next statement will be from the University that “currently he has not been found to be responsible by the legal process. If his legal status would change then his status on the team would be reevaluated”.

This will give the DA time to convene a grand jury and drop the indictment the day after the tournaments are over.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Next statement will be from the University that “currently he has not been found to be responsible by the legal process. If his legal status would change then his status on the team would be reevaluated”.

This will give the DA time to convene a grand jury and drop the indictment the day after the tournaments are over.
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This is Alabama we’re talking about. The next statement from the University will be:

“Starting at Small Forward, standing 6’8” from Antioch, Tennessee: Bran-don Mill-ERRR!”
 
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So, D Miles, a backup player for UGump already out for the season with an injury, was arrested for abetting a capital murder and booted off the team for owning the gun used to kill the young mom, and arranging to have it brought to the shooter/killer.

And B Miller, the All American for UGump who actually brought the gun to the murder scene, and parked his vehicle partially blocking the victims’ vehicle exit path, gets a free pass from UGump Coach/Admin & Gumpville PD & DA to continue balling, since boys will be boys and he has a great jump shot.

Reports show Miles already at the scene and creating the confrontation leading to the murder, while Miller was just the gunrunner who parked his vehicle in the victims’ exit path. Not weighing in on the legal side, but I don’t believe a program & school with CLASS would give Miller a full pass, even with his jump shot. The young mom would still be alive if not for Miller’s actions.
 
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livefaith said:
Did Miller retrieve the firearm from a CAMPUS dorm/apartment? Did he have the firearm ON campus? Why would his and the other players cars be BLOCKING in the victims vehicles? (Did I read that right?) And, Nate Oats ... what on earth? Did he just admit Miller/Bradley were on scene during shooting and they all KNEW about it? Then he says "wrong place / wrong time" ... that'll get brought to trial!

This is unbelievable activity by a coaching staff IMO!

Even tho Davis is older, the old saying is true here. "A teen has a full brain. But, two teens together have ½ a brain. And, 3 teens ... they have no brain at all".
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Good point about where the gun had been kept. Miller's a freshman so do UA rules say he must live in campus? It looks like possession of a firearm on campus by a student, or what passes for one at UA, can be grounds for expulsion.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
But does it still exist?
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Police say Alabama star Brandon Miller delivered gun to former teammate Darius Miles before shooting

"Alabama's Jaden Bradley was also allegedly at the scene of the shooting when it happened and Miller's car is also to be said to be one of two that were blocking the road the car that contained Harris was on. Police said that dash cam from Miller's car also captured part of the incident. "

I wonder about Miller and Bradley's vehicles both reportedly blocking the victim's car from leaving and how that isn't an issue legally.
 
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Got to remember that bama's motto is win at any and all costs. They will not take disciplinary action unless they are forced to.
 
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Voltopia said:
Utterly appropriate. Such a fortuitous turns of events for ol' Alabama. Mmm.

People laugh at the displays of hate and nasty behavior we get from students and fans in rivalries today, but I sometimes think young folks do not appreciate how much more vicious and directly threatening some of these southern football fanbases could get back in the day.
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“In the day” is still today. Some of the ugliest stuff never sees the light of day.
 
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