Bammer Championships Debunked

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Written by an Auburn fan ( I think )


1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

From College Football Data Warehouse

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.

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History of Polls
Polling Systems 1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!

1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!

1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year.

1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. One poll didn't give it to Bama though.

1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.

1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.

1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.

1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.

1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.

You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs where given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can't find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve. Debunking the Alabama National Championship myths.
 
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One of the things that cracks me up is that Bammers complain that they got screwed out of the NC in 1966 (and they may have). They say they should have 3 in a row when in reality, 1964 and 1965 are questionable.

Of course, they would never give back the 1941 farce...
 
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One of the things that cracks me up is that Bammers complain that they got screwed out of the NC in 1966 (and they may have). They say they should have 3 in a row when in reality, 1964 and 1965 are questionable.

Of course, they would never give back the 1941 farce...
They did get screwed in '66. There's actually a great book about that very season.
 
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Thats some good stuff. I just wish I was smart enough to remember it all and keep it straight while talking to the Bama lovers I know. Thank God for printers!
 
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KEY phrase:

Written by an Auburn fan ( I think )

I call BULL!! Jealousy is what it is! Dream on Vols, dream on with your 2 NC. We have also doubled you in SEC Championships, and so on. We have more wins versus you and we beat you last year. Get ready for an upset!!

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!
 
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KEY phrase:



I call BULL!! Jealousy is what it is! Dream on Vols, dream on with your 2 NC. We have also doubled you in SEC Championships, and so on. We have more wins versus you and we beat you last year. Get ready for an upset!!

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!

That's the spirit!
 
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Wow, somebody posts a valid point and all of a sudden the gloves come off. I guess who really needs facts when you have name-calling? Way to represent your school's sophisticated image! :whistling:
 
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Name calling?? Ummmm No.

Also if this represents Bama as bad, check the Bama forums and see what your buddy's are saying. No nevermind look around this forum if you want to see class.

Anyway don't you know better than to believe everything you read on the net? Tsk..Tsk..
 
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Name calling?? Ummmm No.

Also if this represents Bama as bad, check the Bama forums and see what your buddy's are saying. No nevermind look around this forum if you want to see class.

Anyway don't you know better than to believe everything you read on the net? Tsk..Tsk..

He was referring to a post from another bama fan that I most likely moved at the same time he was posting..
 
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Hey, why don't we compare the number of "legit" NCs Bama has to the number that UT has? That would be a better debate for you UT fans!!
 
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My apologies OWB.

For the record I am not trolling, check my other post. I understand smack talk, but why try and discredit our NC's?
 
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:ermm: Good one doozer that explains it. Maybe one day you will be able to say you have 12 NC's, but by then we will have 24.
 
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:ermm: Good one doozer that explains it. Maybe one day you will be able to say you have 12 NC's, but by then we will have 24.

I don't know about that. Seems like these days, they're a lot harder to come by, especially with the NCAA trying to even things out so that even the community colleges have a chance..
 
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umm...because they're bogus?

How do you know that?? Because someone posted an article that they found on the internet?? I could post an article talking about how aliens abducted the president of Venezuela and replaced him with Kim Jong Il's illegitimate son, that doesn't make it true.
 
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Good post Rev!! Honestly, why try and dispute the NCs of old? That was a long time ago and has nothing to do with today's game.


If it has nothing to do with today's game and was a long time ago, then why do you guys (Alabama fans) constantly throw it in our faces? :ermm:
 
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Well I was being a bit facetious as I agree with you OWB. Just letting that little anger monkey get to me. ;)

If it has nothing to do with today's game and was a long time ago, then why do you guys (Alabama fans) constantly throw it in our faces?


I am just on defense, this thread was the offense.
 
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Well I was being a bit facetious as I agree with you OWB. Just letting that little anger monkey get to me. ;)




I am just on defense, this thread was the offense.

I know and I'd say if you all having 24 meant that we'd have 12, I'd be all for it but like I said, it's just a different day and age.

I tend to agree with Ears Tuberville about the SEC being at a disadvantage when it comes to playing for the NC.
 
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If it has nothing to do with today's game and was a long time ago, then why do you guys (Alabama fans) constantly throw it in our faces? :ermm:

The man's gotta good point. If 1,000,000 Crimson Tide T-shirts have ever been made, then 999,999 have "12 National Championships" on the back. I'm not just saying this to be offensive. I was only born in 1980 and have only been watching UT since I was 8, so I'm honestly interested in historical stuff about the game. I just always took it for granted that since all of your t-shirts said it, then it must be true. I guess you cant believe what you read on the internet OR on the back of t-shirts! :post-4-1090547912:
 
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I tend to agree with Ears Tuberville about the SEC being at a disadvantage when it comes to playing for the NC.

110% agree with you! First of all we get no respect, second the SEC is so tough that we knock each other out most of the time.
 

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