Bammer Championships Debunked

#51
#51
At the end of the day though, you'll probably look a little like this:
 

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#53
#53
RTRDD said:
No, what is pretty telling is the fact that you guys sit around and dispute OUR national championsips. How's about worrying about your own team?? Don't you think that would be far more productive?? If I wanted to I could spin every one of the National Titles ever given into looking like a farce, but why?? What good would it do me?? Fact is that we have more NC's than UT. We have more SEC Champ's than UT. We have more 10 win seasons than UT. We have more bowl appearances than UT. We have more bowl wins than UT. How does it feel to be second in everything??:neener2:

Wait, I just realized... UT isn't even second in any of that stuff....
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Just so we're clear...here is the list:
All time bowl Appearances:
1. bama with 53
2t. Tennessee with 45
2t. Texas with 45
3. USC with 44
4. Nebraska with 43

all time Bowl Wins:
1 Bama with 30
2 USC with 28
3 t Tennessee 24
3 t PSU 24
3 t OK 24

All time wins:
1. Michigan 849 .7442%
2. Notre Dame 811 .7435%
3. TX 800 .714%
4. OK 757 .713%
5. Bama 774 .712%
Tennesee is 9th with 752 at .697%

In all cases, Bama and Tennessee are 1 and 2, respectively, in SEC all time rankings.

the SEC leads all conferences with 343 total bowl appearances, and leads all conf. in total wins with 171, but is 3rd in wining % with a .517%...that's behind the ACC with .537 % and Pac 10 with a .519%.

I think it's safe to say that TN's and Bama's tradition both speak for themselves. But what does that tradition get you.........today?

Now for more recent history, say since 1990 which is a time perioud most all of us are well versed in, the series is pretty even...8-7-1 in favor of UT. and i'm not going to take the forefitted W in 93...leaving that as a tie...

bowl games since 1990...Bama has played in 11, and won 7. Tennesse has played in 15 and won 8. both won a NT during that time span. TN played in 13 New Year's day games, Bama played in 6 New Year's day games. TN has played in two BCS games, Bama has played in 1. winning % obviously in Bama's favor...but hey, when you play in that many bowl games, you're bound to lose some right?

as far as NT's are concerned, the sec only recognizes 7 for Bama. TN and LSU both have 2. FL, UGA, Aub, and Ole miss each have 1.

since 1980...Bama has only won 4 Conf. titles, only 2 since 1990. TN has 5 conf. titles, 3 since 1990. FL has 6, 6 since 1990. UGA has 5, but went 20 yrs in between titles. Auburn has 5. LSU has 4.

you can draw your on conclusions from all that...but i got all that from NCAAsports.com, SECsports.com and collegefootballpoll.com if anyone wants to validate...

My conclusion is that a lot of Bama's histroy is just that...history. in the last 20 years, Bama has had moderate success, but has not been as dominant over the college football landscape as they'd like to think. they've had opportunities to do so, as i think Bama leads the SEC with the most SEC CG appearances, but has only won 2 of them. And while TN hasn't been the dominant team in the SEC either i do think it's safe to say that we've had our fair share of success and we have had more success than Bama over the last two decades. Which means more to me, since it's happened in my lifetime, than what happened in 40 years ago.

I can't believe i just spent that much time looking all that crap up....i usually roll right past posts like this so why on earth i felt the need to go find all that, i have no idea....i guess it's just Bama week.:p
And this will do nothing to discredit my reputation for my long, drawn out posts....forgive me.:whistling:
 
#55
#55
Roll Tide Rev said:
I'll be back Saturday night with a load of crow for you all to eat!
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We are still waiting for the bammers here to eat crow for your 6 phantom NC's.

If history tells us anything, its that bama fans will not show up here after the game.
 
#56
#56
Waste of time jake most bammers can't read past two or three lines without being distracted by something, like a bug zapper or a flashing traffic light.
 
#57
#57
oklavol said:
If history tells us anything, its that bama fans will not show up here after the game.
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yeah, they will....and they'll keep on spewing the same rhetoric..."we're still Alabama....we have 12 NT's...we got more SEC titles than anyone"....it never fails. I remember after the 96 game, we were walking out of the Stadium and the Bammers were getting on their busses...and that's all i heard...."we're still Alabama"....yep, and you STILL lost.
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Waste of time jake most bammers can't read past two or three lines without being distracted by something, like a bug zapper or a flashing traffic light.
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:lolabove: i agree that it was a waste of time...but not sure the reason is the same....:)
 
#58
#58
Facts of life;

OJ wont be remembered for his heisman or his 2000 yard season,but for killing his wife and getting away with it.

Pete Rose will forever be Mr. Bet on Baseball, not Mr. Hussle.

Bammer will be remembered not for the national championships they claim, but for the cheating they did to get them.

Just the facts.:detective:
 
#61
#61
I'm glad my little post was able to bring out the best in the Bammers. The only thing that pisses bammers off more than calling them out on thier "12" is calling the 'Bear' a scumbag cheating drunkard. Which I do every time I get the chance...

See, I did it again.
 
#62
#62
Roll Tide Rev said:
KEY phrase:



I call BULL!! Jealousy is what it is! Dream on Vols, dream on with your 2 NC. We have also doubled you in SEC Championships, and so on. We have more wins versus you and we beat you last year. Get ready for an upset!!

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!
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1925 & 1926 NC's ----------- FACTS

The Helms Athletic Foundation was an athletic foundation based in Los Angeles, founded in 1936 by Bill Schroeder and Paul Helms.

Houl.: Houlgate System (1927-58); a mathematical rating system developed by Dale Houlgate of Los Angeles, Calif.

First, in 1933, a former Ivy League player named Parke Davis published his hand-picked choices for national champions in those seasons before the Associated Press and United Press began doing polls.

The above info is accurate with respect to when the polls originated. So all you Bama fans can chill. Retroactively determining a NC is asinine and worthless. If you dont agree, well let's just have the IRS tax you retroactively for 3 or 4 years.
 
#64
#64
Roll Tide Rev said:
I call BULL!! Jealousy is what it is! Dream on Vols, dream on with your 2 NC. We have also doubled you in SEC Championships, and so on. We have more wins versus you and we beat you last year. Get ready for an upset!!

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!
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Of course Bammers don't want the facts to get in their way.

Several have posted that the criteria used to annoint Alabama as National Champions 12 times would have the Vols as 7 time National Champions (not 2 as you claim). The 2 you are counting would be the Associated Press rankings. In the AP, Alabama has only 6 NC, while Tennessee has 2.

Regarding Conference Championships, Alabama has 25 total, including 21 SEC and 4 Southern Conf. Championships. Half of that would be 12.5 total championships or 10.5 SEC and 2 Southern. But contrary to your math, the Vols have 16 conference championships, including 13 SEC, 2 Southern Conf., and 1 SIAAC Championship. Check your math, Alabama is 7 championships short of doubling the Vols' total.
 
#66
#66
Alright guys and girls, here is a link to the NCAA's website which lists the championships awarded by each poll over the years. If you don't like them, take up your argument with the NCAA. By the way, that makes 17 for Bama by the NCAA's count.

NC Listings

Roll Tide!
 
#67
#67
Tide Fan said:
Alright guys and girls, here is a link to the NCAA's website which lists the championships awarded by each poll over the years. If you don't like them, take up your argument with the NCAA. By the way, that makes 17 for Bama by the NCAA's count.

NC Listings

Roll Tide!
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Go Yale!!!
 
#68
#68
Tide Fan said:
Alright guys and girls, here is a link to the NCAA's website which lists the championships awarded by each poll over the years. If you don't like them, take up your argument with the NCAA. By the way, that makes 17 for Bama by the NCAA's count.

NC Listings

Roll Tide!
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it's not the NCAA listing it's champions, it's just listing teams that were named champions by whatever institution that puts one out...not quite the same thing...but i'm sure if you give this to Alabama marketing dept, the website and t shirts will be changed to reflect Bama's 17 national titles. congratulations.

And Tennesse comes up on that list 7 times.

but like i said earlier, the SEC website only recognizes 7 for Bama and 2 for Tennessee. it just depends on which outlet you want to get your informaiton from....
 
#69
#69
jesus, just because Ace Hardware awards you a NC does not mean
that you own the whole title if that is the case ND has 100 NC's
1975
Alabama: Matthews* <----- who is that???
Arizona St.: National Championship Foundation*, Sporting News
Ohio St.: Berryman, FACT*, Helms*, Matthews*, Poling
Oklahoma: AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT*, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms*, National Championship Foundation*, NFF, Sagarin, UPI

1977
Alabama: Football Research* <---- who in the He## is that??...lmao
Arkansas: FACT*
Notre Dame: AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT*, FB News, Football Research*, FW, Helms, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI
Texas: Berryman, FACT*

1966
Alabama: Berryman <---- once again i think i will go w/ ND on this one
Michigan St.: Football Research, Helms*, NFF*, Poling*
Notre Dame: AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FB N e w s , FW, Helms*, Litkenhous, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF*, Poling*, Sagarin, UPI

so just scanning the list there is 3 bogus ones right there dude c'mon get real.we dont care how many NC you got tell you what if having 12 NC's will help you be competive saturday you had better bring them cause your team is in for a whole lot of trouble...:good!:
 
#71
#71
your shirts should say "Got 12*?"

I dont mind giving you 12. I wonder what you`re going to tell your grandchildren however, when they ask, "Why gramps, why did you destroy our legacy with your cheating? Why?"

Thanks for posting the link. My Great Grandfather was a player/coach at Harvard from 1898-1901. Im told he is in the college football hall of fame. His name was David Campbell. My grandmother told me he gave up on watching football when teams started using different players on offense and defense. `Magin that.
 
#72
#72
Can anybody get in on this awarding business. The Asheville Saturday Night Poker Club wants to award the Vols Consecutive NC's from 1981 to 2004 (forget last year). That makes 24 in the last 25 years.
 
#75
#75
wncvolfan said:
Can anybody get in on this awarding business. The Asheville Saturday Night Poker Club wants to award the Vols Consecutive NC's from 1981 to 2004 (forget last year). That makes 24 in the last 25 years.
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:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
If that doesn't spell dynasty I don't know what does.
 
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