Bandwagon Fans signal program demise and return of Christ all in one day

#27
#27
IPorange said:
Could I get an example of someone who said the hire was terrible, then changed their mind 4 hours later?
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Plenty of people ....


lylsmorr said:
I saw Martin in his first year at Mizzou State. I think you'll see that I was one of the first ones defending this hire.
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except this guy^

Like him or not, doesn't matter at this point. He is the coach. I'm just glad this is all behind us now and we can start to move forward in a positive direction .
 
#30
#30
Volstylexx said:
wow. members are normally trashing each other here for being "bandwagon" fans. Pearl supports were trashed for being "Bandwagon" fans when they supported him... Fulmer supports were trashed for being "Bandwagon" fans when they supported him.

What is the difference with Martin? seems like a lot of people jumping on the Martin bandwagon mighty early. I've seen at least 15 avatar pictures and Martin references in profiles in the last 2 hrs. Is it because the Pearl haters here have endorsed the hire as "a good hire"?

I think I'll wait and see. 4 hrs ago it was the end of the program as we know it.. and now, according to the same posters, Martin is the second coming of the Jewish Christ. I don't know whether to turn in my vol card and wait for the dismantling of the program.. or go grab the rosary and holy water and wait for ascension into heaven.

So before the board starts trashing others, just remember the use of the term "Bandwagon fans" goes both ways.
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I've seen your posts in other threads so don't pretend like you are the 'fair and balanced' opinion when it pertains to a coaching transitition.
 
#31
#31
GahLee said:
Why do you think that he will recruit well here?

Or are you just sharing someone else's opinion that you seen on here, cause you can't look at his previous recruiting classes at Missouri State and come to that conclussion.
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1) He recruited JaJuan Johnson and E'Twaun Moore to Purdue.

2) He had two pretty decent 3* recruits signed, and was in on a couple pretty good players this year, including two top 150 players on Rivals (it's rivals, but still).

3) He has connections in St. Louis and Chicago. That will help.

4) He is someone who will win the in home visits.
 
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#33
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Volstylexx said:
Like him or not, doesn't matter at this point. He is the coach. I'm just glad this is all behind us now and we can start to move forward in a positive direction .
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So, by saying we will be moving forward in a positive direction under Martin, you're now a bandwagon fan using your definition.
 
#36
#36
In 3 years he didn't really do anything as far as recruiting goes at Missouri State. He imporved the team and they won, which makes it more impressive in the end.

I wouldn't say that this hire is a homerun in any way though.

A home run would have been getting a coach that is a proven winner for more than 2 years, has tournament experience and has recruited top-flight recruits.

I suppose your fences are a little closer than mine.
 
#37
#37
GahLee said:
In 3 years he didn't really do anything as far as recruiting goes at Missouri State. He imporved the team and they won, which makes it more impressive in the end.

I wouldn't say that this hire is a homerun in any way though.

A home run would have been getting a coach that is a proven winner for more than 2 years, has tournament experience and has recruited top-flight recruits.

I suppose your fences are a little closer than mine.
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Don't **** with the Jesus.
 
#38
#38
GahLee said:
In 3 years he didn't really do anything as far as recruiting goes at Missouri State. He imporved the team and they won, which makes it more impressive in the end.

I wouldn't say that this hire is a homerun in any way though.

A home run would have been getting a coach that is a proven winner for more than 2 years, has tournament experience and has recruited top-flight recruits.

I suppose your fences are a little closer than mine.
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Just my opinion. In the press conference? No, it's not a home run. In the name recognition department? No, it's not a home run.

When I look at his resume, and what others say about him, to me, it looks like a home run hire. Obviously, time will time. But I love the hire, and can't tell you how excited I am about Cuonzo Martin.
 
#40
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GahLee said:
In 3 years he didn't really do anything as far as recruiting goes at Missouri State. He imporved the team and they won, which makes it more impressive in the end.

I wouldn't say that this hire is a homerun in any way though.

A home run would have been getting a coach that is a proven winner for more than 2 years, has tournament experience and has recruited top-flight recruits.

I suppose your fences are a little closer than mine.
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That's a reasonable view, imo. I probably lean a little more toward viewing this hire positively than you do, but it's really difficult to call this a "homerun hire" at this point. To me, the determination on how good the hire was is going to be done after he coaches some games for us.
 
#41
#41
zjcvols said:
Just my opinion. In the press conference? No, it's not a home run. In the name recognition department? No, it's not a home run.

When I look at his resume, and what others say about him, to me, it looks like a home run hire. Obviously, time will time. But I love the hire, and can't tell you how excited I am about Cuonzo Martin.
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His resume looks alot like Buzz Petersons before he took the Tulsa job...nothing to write home about.

As far as what is being said about him, what did you expect people to say about him?

People are going to be PC, so even if they had something bad to say they wouldn't. Not that they do, just saying that what others have to say is irrelvant to me.

I think there is the possiblity for him to be great here.

Also the possibility that he doesn't make it through year 4.

The great unknown that is any hire by Hamilton.
 
#42
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GahLee said:
I think there is the possiblity for him to be great here.

Also the possibility that he doesn't make it through year 4.
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I'd agree with that. At the moment, I'd consider myself cautiously optimistic. I want to see recruiting and intense defense, though, before I'm completely sold on the guy.
 
#43
#43
LawVol13 said:
That's a reasonable view, imo. I probably lean a little more toward viewing this hire positively than you do, but it's really difficult to call this a "homerun hire" at this point. To me, the determination on how good the hire was is going to be done after he coaches some games for us.
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I hope I don't come off negative about the hire in general.

He isn't a homreun hire to me, that is all.

I'm disappointed that UT didn't get a proven coach, nothing wrong with that though, we have the money/facilities/fan base to get better then Martin.
 
#44
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GahLee said:
His resume looks alot like Buzz Petersons before he took the Tulsa job...nothing to write home about.

As far as what is being said about him, what did you expect people to say about him?

People are going to be PC, so even if they had something bad to say they wouldn't. Not that they do, just saying that what others have to say is irrelvant to me.

I think there is the possiblity for him to be great here.

Also the possibility that he doesn't make it through year 4.

The great unknown that is any hire by Hamilton.
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I understand that. I might be jumping the gun a little bit. However, I've never been this excited about a hire for my favorite team. And like I said before, I was saying Kiffin from day one when Phil was fired.

His resume looks better to me than Buzz's, by a good margin.

This might sound like a cop out, and I'll know more at 3:30 tomorrow, but it just seems like he has that "it" factor. It seems like this guy is bound for great success. I think he's going to do great things here. JMO.
 
#45
#45
Love the thread title. I think it was a decent hire. Could have been better, could have been worse.
 
#46
#46
StepCross said:
I'd agree with that. At the moment, I'd consider myself cautiously optimistic. I want to see recruiting and intense defense, though, before I'm completely sold on the guy.
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I'm more interested in recruiting than anything. From has been said there will be an emphasis on defense and rebounding.

With what is left on the roster, he better be able to recruit and be able to do it fast cause this homerun hire love-fest will be over in a heartbeat as soon as he loses a game that he shouldn't.
 
#47
#47
GahLee said:
I'm more interested in recruiting than anything. From has been said there will be an emphasis on defense and rebounding.

With what is left on the roster, he better be able to recruit and be able to do it fast cause this homerun hire love-fest will be over in a heartbeat as soon as he loses a game that he shouldn't.
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Other than lyls and I, I don't see anyone else saying he's a home run hire.
 
#48
#48
Volstylexx said:
wow. members are normally trashing each other here for being "bandwagon" fans. Pearl supports were trashed for being "Bandwagon" fans when they supported him... Fulmer supports were trashed for being "Bandwagon" fans when they supported him.

What is the difference with Martin? seems like a lot of people jumping on the Martin bandwagon mighty early. I've seen at least 15 avatar pictures and Martin references in profiles in the last 2 hrs. Is it because the Pearl haters here have endorsed the hire as "a good hire"?

I think I'll wait and see. 4 hrs ago it was the end of the program as we know it.. and now, according to the same posters, Martin is the second coming of the Jewish Christ. I don't know whether to turn in my vol card and wait for the dismantling of the program.. or go grab the rosary and holy water and wait for ascension into heaven.

So before the board starts trashing others, just remember the use of the term "Bandwagon fans" goes both ways.
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Sense this does not make. :crazy:
 
#49
#49
zjcvols said:
Other than lyls and I, I don't see anyone else saying he's a home run hire.
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I'm just saying that alot of people seem stoked about the hire and the optimism is flowing. Which is a good thing overall.

I just can't see it, I think UT settled and I can't be too happy about that.

Good basketball coaches are a dime a dozen, I think we could have gone a few steps higher than Martin.

Even with that said, when looking at face value alone, we could have done worse.

We will see.
 
#50
#50
According to what I'm reading on this board about the positives of this hire, and Zo's credentials, Rick Byrd would have been the home run hire. Just sayin'. I think all the negative talk is because we were (mostly) all expecting a more recognizable hire. When that didn't happen, disapointment and some level of shock set in. I'm not fond of ther hire, (because of name recognition only) but I'm still a Vol and I'll give my support.
 
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