Barack Obama has a trump card

#126
#126
Sudden Impact said:
I agree with above.

Are you JZs brother or mother
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you agree to lighten up or that Obama's stiff arm of wounded troops is far more a slam than asking if you wiped Powell's nose?

I'm neither. I am a veteran though. 13 years, which apparently wasn't long enough for me to lose my sense of humor.
 
#127
#127
MG1968 said:
jeez, lighten up. a true slam against the military is making a political decision not to visit wounded troops at Rammstein while on an overseas trip.
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...or earning three Purple Hearts as commander of a swift boat then coming home to paint your fellow soldiers as war criminals.
 
#130
#130
Sudden Impact said:
Is this a slam or another faulty attempt at a joke? Whatever it is, it is out of bounds. I take it as a slam against the military or as joke about the military.

Nothing personal but I know you are smarter than these jokes.

I may have gone overboard but again your attempt above is fuel on the fire. Its cute and I guess that is what you view as Military Service. Why don't you just excuse yourself out of it and let it go because I have.
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Why on earth would you take that as a slam on the military?
 
#137
#137
615 Vol said:
I'm sure Obama would have a hard time signing some checks and holding a staff meeting. :ermm:
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you have apparently never dealt with an operating budget.

If you have, take that process, politicize with self interested morons and you'll understand that your talking out your cornhole and that her experience is drastically more relevant than anything Barack has ever even considered doing, aside from this current lie laden interview.
 
#140
#140
JZVOL said:
So that's all she did as governor?
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Apparently that's all she did as Mayor or that's all the new Mayor does. So, when she was running for Governor do you think she shouldn't have won because she didn't have enough executive experience? All I hear now is how she was this great Governor but by some standards on here she never should have gotten that job because she didn't have enough executive experience.
 
#141
#141
615 Vol said:
Apparently that's all she did as Mayor or that's all the new Mayor does. So, when she was running for Governor do you think she shouldn't have won because she didn't have enough executive experience? All I hear now is how she was this great Governor but by some standards on here she never should have gotten that job because she didn't have enough executive experience.
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What difference does how she got the job matter?

If you're going to argue that she shouldn't have been there in the first place, you're going to have to do a lot of backtracking on the chosen one.
 
#142
#142
BigPapaVol said:
you have apparently never dealt with an operating budget.

If you have, take that process, politicize with self interested morons and you'll understand that your talking out your cornhole and that her experience is drastically more relevant than anything Barack has ever even considered doing, aside from this current lie laden interview.
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:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:
 
#143
#143
BigPapaVol said:
you have apparently never dealt with an operating budget.

If you have, take that process, politicize with self interested morons and you'll understand that your talking out your cornhole and that her experience is drastically more relevant than anything Barack has ever even considered doing, aside from this current lie laden interview.
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Since that is so important to you than we must agree that she never should have been elected Governor in the first place.
 
#145
#145
615 Vol said:
Since that is so important to you than we must agree that she never should have been elected Governor in the first place.
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again, if you're going to take that approach, you'll have to stop lobbying for the anointed one of no experience and economic infancy.
 
#146
#146
BigPapaVol said:
What difference does how she got the job matter?
If you're going to argue that she shouldn't have been there in the first place, you're going to have to do a lot of backtracking on the chosen one.
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Or....you're going to backtrack on the importance of it. It goes both ways. You can't say that it is so important while saying what difference does it make in how she got the job. Apparently that is important to you in how Obama is about to get his next job.
 
#147
#147
615 Vol said:
Or....you're going to backtrack on the importance of it. It goes both ways. You can't say that it is so important while saying what difference does it make in how she got the job. Apparently that is important to you in how Obama is about to get his next job.
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I'm not backtracking on the importance of it in the least. Hell, if Obama had some reasonable mayoral experience to fall back on, I'd at least agree that he's made at least some executive decisions.

It's absolutely important in trying to convince people how to make their decisions. Once the election is over, someone's past experience is no longer relevant to LGs pals.

We've spent much time in here trying to praise the merits of the candidates. In that context, tangible experience is absolutely relevant to the conversation.
 
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#148
BigPapaVol said:
I'm not backtracking on the importance of it in the least. Hell, if Obama had some reasonable mayoral experience to fall back on, I'd at least agree that he's made at least some executive decisions.

It's absolutely important in trying to convince people how to make their decisions. Once the election is over, someone's past experience is no longer relevant to LGs pals.

We've spent much time in here trying to praise the merits of the candidates. In that context, tangible experience is absolutely relevant to the conversation.
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I agree with this, I just think Obama will be OK without that experience. I guess if he does win than he will have that experience and it won't be used against him in 2012. I'm sure other things will have come up by then. I'm ready for all this to be over, I guess I shouldn't worry about something I don't have much control over.
 
#149
#149
615 Vol said:
I agree with this, I just think Obama will be OK without that experience. I guess if he does win than he will have that experience and it won't be used against him in 2012. I'm sure other things will have come up by then. I'm ready for all this to be over, I guess I shouldn't worry about something I don't have much control over.
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I'm OK with comments like this, but people should just be open about that rather than touting some lame garbage as relevant experience.

The bottom line is that there is no historical relevant experience of Obama for anyone to make any assertion about how he'll respond as a chief executive, good or bad. The truth is that he can go either way and the likelihood is that he'll be south of what everyone "believes" because the odds say that far fewer are good leaders than are poor leaders.

Now, we have his silly politics to fall back on. Some love the socialistic comments, some hate them. Most simply hate Bush and believe Obama represents change for the better. This gets to the point that I've made all along - Obama support is, by and large, simply anti-Bush rather than this enormous belief in Obama that the media tries hard to portray.
 
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#150
The Murray-Blessing 1982 survey asked historians whether they were liberal or conservative on domestic, social and economic issues. The table below shows that the two groups had only small differences in ranking the best and worst presidents. Both groups agreed on the composition of nine of the top ten Presidents
Rankings by Liberals and Conservatives

Rank Liberals (n=190) Conservatives (n=50)

1 Lincoln Lincoln

2 Franklin Roosevelt Washington

3 Washington Franklin Roosevelt

4 Jefferson Jefferson

5 Theodore Roosevelt Theodore Roosevelt

6 Wilson Jackson

7 Jackson Truman

8 Truman Wilson

9 LB Johnson Eisenhower

10 John Adams John Adams



The number one spot by Libs and Cons was Lincoln. Lincoln had no executive experience upon assuming the presidency. His political experience being in the state legislature

Number 2 on the conservative list and number 3 on the liberal list was Washington. He had no executive experience prior to assuming the presidency. His political experience being in local legislative and judicial positions.

Number 2 on the liberal list and number 3 on the conservative list is FDR. He had no executive experience before assuming the presidency. His experience was in state legislature.

Number 4 on both lists is Thomas Jefferson. His only executive experience was as governor of Virginia for 2 years.

Number 5 on both lists is Theodore Roosevelt. His only executive experience was 2 years as governor of New York.

Number 6 on the conservative list and 7 on the liberal list is Andrew Jackson. He had no executive experience prior to becoming president. His experience was in federal legislature.

Number 6 on the liberal list and 8 on the conservative list was Woodrow Wilson. Wilson had 2 years experience as governor of New Jersey.

Number 7 on the conservative list and 8 on the liberal list is Truman. Truman had no executive experience prior to assuming the presidency.

number 9 on the liberal list is LBJ. LBJ had no executive experience prior to assuming the presidency. All in federal legislative branch.

number 9 on the conservative list is Eisenhower. Eisenhower had zero executive experience prior to assuming the presidency.

Number 10 on both lists is John Adams. John Adams had no executive experience before becoming president.

There you have it. The top 11 presidents with a sum total of 6 years executive experience.

but how about the worst?


Rank Liberals (n=190) Conservatives (n=50)


30 Coolidge Carter

31 Pierce Nixon

32 Buchanan Pierce

33 Andrew Johnson Andrew Johnson

34 Grant Buchanan

35 Nixon Grant

36 Harding Harding


Coolidge 2 years governor of Massachusetts, 3 years as VP

Carter 4 years governor of Georgia

Nixon 8 years as VP

Johnson 4 years Governor of Tennessee and VP

Harding 2 years LT Governor of Ohio

for a sum total of 23 years executive experience.
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So much for "executive experience" I guess.
 
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