Barack the Birther

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It seems that despite all evidence to the contrary Obama used to believe he was born in Kenya.

Apparently his view of his origins has evolved.

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Or is this just an example of resume padding?


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I wouldn't be surprised if he did claim that at one point a la Elizabeth Warren
 
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The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii'


Breitbart News has obtained a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama's then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."
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The booklet, which was distributed to "business colleagues" in the publishing industry, includes a brief biography of Obama among the biographies of eighty-nine other authors represented by Acton & Dystel.

It also promotes Obama's anticipated first book, Journeys in Black and White--which Obama abandoned, later publishing Dreams from My Father instead.
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"Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation.

He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago’s South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White."
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Dystel did not respond to numerous requests for comment, via email and telephone. Her assistant told Breitbart News that Dystel "does not answer questions about Obama."
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Obama has been known frequently to fictionalize aspects of his own life. During his 2008 campaign, for instance, Obama claimed that his dying mother had fought with insurance companies over coverage for her cancer treatments.

That turned out to be untrue, but Obama has repeated the story--which even the Washington Post called "misleading"--in a campaign video for the 2012 election.
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Regardless of the reason for Obama's odd biography, the Acton & Dystel booklet raises new questions as part of ongoing efforts to understand Barack Obama--who, despite four years in office remains a mystery to many Americans, thanks to the mainstream media.
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I suppose BHO's opinion on gay marriage isn't the only thing that has 'evolved?'
 
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Sounds like Harvard has a problem with enhancing the bio's of it's folks.

As pointed out above, this like the Warren thing where they listed her as the first "woman of color" that they hired (assuming blond/blue eyes is a color).
 
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I am still baffled as to why people still care about this. Of all the legitimate things one can Obama is at fault for, people still won't let go of this birther crap. Please enlighten me as to why it is still a story. And I need not hear from GS...I know his side all to well.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I am still baffled as to why people still care about this. Of all the legitimate things one can Obama is at fault for, people still won't let go of this birther crap. Please enlighten me as to why it is still a story. And I need not hear from GS...I know his side all to well.
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A little something called the Constitution...
 
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PKT_VOL said:
A little something called the Constitution...
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That would be correct assuming he wasn't actually born here. I'm gonna go ahead and assume he was, as it would be impossible to get away with not being a US-born citizen.
 
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Questions on Constitutional law.

1. Say you're born on an American service base in another country, does that count as being born in the U.S.? Aren't service bases considered U.S. soil? Same with embassies?

2. Is there any provision about being born on foreign soil but both parents are U.S. citizens? If two citizens go on vacation to another country and the woman goes into labor while abroad and is unable to make it back to the U.S., is the child ineligible to one day run for President despite both parents being U.S. citizens?

The whole birther thing made me think about this but I never got around to looking it up. Does anyone know the answers? Thanks.
 
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Weezer said:
Questions on Constitutional law.

1. Say you're born on an American service base in another country, does that count as being born in the U.S.? Aren't service bases considered U.S. soil? Same with embassies?

2. Is there any provision about being born on foreign soil but both parents are U.S. citizens? If two citizens go on vacation to another country and the woman goes into labor while abroad and is unable to make it back to the U.S., is the child ineligible to one day run for President despite both parents being U.S. citizens?

The whole birther thing made me think about this but I never got around to looking it up. Does anyone know the answers? Thanks.
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I do not have the answers for you; however, the requirement is absolutely ridiculous for the following reasons:

1. It restricts the choices given to the electorate; if the electorate wants to elect someone who is foreign-born, they should have that option.

2. The Natural-Born Citizen requirement is not a requirement for US Representatives and US Senators. Theoretically, we could have a 535 Senators and Representatives that do not meet the Natural-Born Citizen requirement: none of them would be eligible for POTUS and we would have to look elsewhere (we could compound this problem by also positing 50 Governors that do not meet the Natural-Born Citizen requirement).

A Constitutional Amendment needs to be drawn up to drop this requirement; unfortunately, since there exist so many jingos in America, that will never happen.
 
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therealUT said:
I do not have the answers for you; however, the requirement is absolutely ridiculous for the following reasons:

1. It restricts the choices given to the electorate; if the electorate wants to elect someone who is foreign-born, they should have that option.

2. The Natural-Born Citizen requirement is not a requirement for US Representatives and US Senators. Theoretically, we could have a 535 Senators and Representatives that do not meet the Natural-Born Citizen requirement: none of them would be eligible for POTUS and we would have to look elsewhere (we could compound this problem by also positing 50 Governors that do not meet the Natural-Born Citizen requirement).

A Constitutional Amendment needs to be drawn up to drop this requirement; unfortunately, since there exist so many jingos in America, that will never happen.
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wasn't there talk about such an amendment in the early 2000s? it was when Schwarzenegger was a GOP rising star. I think it was being referred to as the "Arnold amendment"
 
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volinbham said:
Sounds like Harvard has a problem with enhancing the bio's of it's folks.

As pointed out above, this like the Warren thing where they listed her as the first "woman of color" that they hired (assuming blond/blue eyes is a color).
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as I understand it, warren was self-identifying as a Cherokee Indian. I believe UPenn records show she was listed as a minority while she taught there.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I am still baffled as to why people still care about this. Of all the legitimate things one can Obama is at fault for, people still won't let go of this birther crap. Please enlighten me as to why it is still a story. And I need not hear from GS...I know his side all to well.
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You gotta admit, this is funny. Obama claiming to be from Kenya, and all.
 
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dreVol said:
as I understand it, warren was self-identifying as a Cherokee Indian. I believe UPenn records show she was listed as a minority while she taught there.
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she may have self identified but Harvard actively promoted it. BS either way
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
...the constitution. And in the days of political mud-slinging, you cannot convince me that the GOP couldn't find proof that he wasn't an American citizen in 2008. So, impossible.
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This is nothing, historically speaking. You should see what Adams and Jefferson said about each other...and they were friends.

Among the things that I think are impossible, I do not include the successful falsification of documentation.
 
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Weezer said:
Questions on Constitutional law.

1. Say you're born on an American service base in another country, does that count as being born in the U.S.? Aren't service bases considered U.S. soil? Same with embassies?

2. Is there any provision about being born on foreign soil but both parents are U.S. citizens? If two citizens go on vacation to another country and the woman goes into labor while abroad and is unable to make it back to the U.S., is the child ineligible to one day run for President despite both parents being U.S. citizens?

The whole birther thing made me think about this but I never got around to looking it up. Does anyone know the answers? Thanks.
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1) Children born abroad of US citizens stationed overseas for military or diplomatic duty are considered natural born US citizens. This is mainly because the soil on a military base and US Embassy is considered to be US soil under US jurisdiction. They are not naturalized, nor do they generally get granted citizenship of the country of birth. They can run for president.

2) Depends on the circumstances and the type of travel. Generally a tourist visa would mean the child would be considered natural born but they would have to submit paperwork to ensure the right birth certificate was issued. Remember, birth certificates are issued by the state based on a report of the birth by the attending physician so it gets complicated if you don't have that report (or it is in another language).

If they were overseas on a work visa then it could be a different situation and they may need to apply for naturalization once they return to the US. In some cases they may also be considered citizens of the birth country. Currently, those who are naturalized cannot run for President.

Of course anyone born within the US borders is considered to be a natural born US citizen regardless of the citizenship of the parents. In many cases, they will retain dual citizenship with their parents country as well. They could conceivably run for president in either or both countries...

edit to add link: Naturalized Citizens and the Presidency
 
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Obama's literary agency kept using the "born in Kenya" factoid until he started running for President.
Archive.org shows that the Dystel website used the following biography for Obama as of April 3, 2007:

BARACK OBAMA is the junior Democratic senator from Illinois and was the dynamic keynote speaker at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. He was also the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. He was born in Kenya to an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister and was raised in Indonesia, Hawaii, and Chicago. His first book, DREAMS FROM MY FATHER: A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE, has been a long time New York Times bestseller.
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n_huffhines said:
You gotta admit, this is funny. Obama claiming to be from Kenya, and all.
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Archived Blog: Hawaii governor hasn't found Obama's birth certificate yet

Neil Abercrombie, the newly elected governor of Hawaii promised to make public the original long form birth certificate of Barack Obama, to quell the controversy over the President's birth. Yesterday, in an interview with the Honolulu Star-Advertiser, he was asked about the promise:
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So for some reason, although there is supposed to be a "recording of the birth," the investigators have not yet found it. Perhaps the documents in the Hawaii State Archives are so badly organized that weeks of effort are necessary to uncover a document. Strangely enough, Governor Linda Lingle, who was in office until this January, had her Director of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino issue the following statement:
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This oddly worded statement caused much skeptical commentary at the time it was issued. Note that Dr. Fukino does not say she has seen the actual birth certificate, but rather that she has seen that it is on record. This is consistent with Gov. Abercrombie's statement that it is recorded (but he can't produce the certificate itself).
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In the words of Lewis Carroll, it gets curiouser and curiouser.

Of course, to the mainstream media, all these contradictory statements and a document that somehow can't be produced by the Governor are of no interest at all. Nothing to see here, move along. They will continue to demonize anyone who suggests that it is a bit odd that nobody can locate the actual document recording the actual birth of the President of the United States.

But to anyone with an inquisitive mind, it does appear to be very strange indeed that there would be such a huge problem in locating the document itself.
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Which is more curiouser, the governor of Hawaii can't put the issue to rest or that Obama's lawyers in Philidelphia could have put a case to rest by presenting the WH issued BC in court but declined.




OrangeEmpire said:
Big push now is Rev Right is pushing he is muslim
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Was there ever any doubt about that?

Hawaii won

Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett is saying he is “stunned” that after eight weeks election officials in Hawaii still have not provided him with even so much as an Email confirming they have proper documentation on record regarding Barack Obama’s official birth certificate.

Because of their lack of official reply, Bennett is considering keeping Obama off of the Democrat ballot in Arizona!
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A commenter on this story said, “Why can’t this guy produce the real documents, college records, etc. Is he afraid to show he received financial aid as a foreign student?”

Florida‘s eligibility challenge is still alive with Attorney Larry E. Klayman representing Citizen Mike Voeltz in a case that already has gone through 19 preliminary motions, hearings, and filings, since being put on the docket of Judge Terry Lewis on 2-15-2012. Case No. 37 2012 CA 000467 has eight different attorneys…….
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gsvol said:
Which is more curiouser, the governor of Hawaii can't put the issue to rest or that Obama's lawyers in Philidelphia could have put a case to rest by presenting the WH issued BC in court but declined.
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Question: why are you referring to an article written in January 2011, when Obama released his birth certificate in April 2011?

Why is the almost 18 month old article you just quoted and cited relevant right now?
 
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Could be relevant because the birth certificate released in April, 2011 has been shown to be false.

Little issues like kerning in typewritten spaces and the name of the hospital on the document not existing under that name until 1965. Certainly raises questions in my mind.
 
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