Barnes gets contract extension through 2026-2027

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bleedingTNorange said:
So according to you Barnes doesn’t get it done in the big dance, but we should hire one of these guys???

Hurley has never made a S16
Dutcher has never made R32
Nagy has never made R32
Forbes has never made NCAAT
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Steve Forbes made the NCAAT twice in his 5 years at ETSU.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So according to you Barnes doesn’t get it done in the big dance, but we should hire one of these guys???

Hurley has never made a S16
Dutcher has never made R32
Nagy has never made R32
Forbes has never made NCAAT
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Forbes made the tournament at ETSU but it was via the automatic bid. It is true that he’s never had an at large though.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Barnes is better than Musselman
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I mean he’s had a better career, but he had a 30-year head start. At this point it’s hard to say that he’s a better coach. Musselman took over an awful Nevada program and had them in the tournament in his second year and the sweet 16 in year three. He took over an Arkansas program that hadn’t been to a sweet 16 since 1996, and has them in the elite 8 for the second consecutive year.
 
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Boston Vol said:
I mean he’s had a better career, but he had a 30-year head start. But it’s hard to say that he’s a better coach. Musselman took over an awful Nevada program and had them in the tournament in his second year and the sweet 16 in year three. He took over an Arkansas program that hadn’t been to a sweet 16 since 1996, and has them in the elite 8 for the second consecutive year.
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Seriously. At this point in time, Musselman is head and shoulders above Barnes. The dude has turned two perennially terrible teams and made them better immediately. Plus his tourney success is light years ahead. He knows how to motivate his players.
 
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Boston Vol said:
I mean he’s had a better career, but he had a 30-year head start. But it’s hard to say that he’s a better coach. Musselman took over an awful Nevada program and had them in the tournament in his second year and the sweet 16 in year three. He took over an Arkansas program that hadn’t been to a sweet 16 since 1996, and has them in the elite 8 for the second consecutive year.
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Wait - you mean there are coaches who don't underachieve year in and year out with multiple five-stars on the roster, and actually get past the second round of the tournament?
 
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I’m a huge Barnes supporter as many know, but Musselmann is a name I put out a year or so ago when this same topic came up. No I don’t think he would leave Arkansas, but that is the level of name that imo you’re looking for if you’re trying to feel good about making a move. Brad Underwood is a guy many love as a coach, but he hasn’t been able to get over the tourney hump. There are very few, if any, proven coaches that are willing to move.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Seriously. At this point in time, Musselman is head and shoulders above Barnes. The dude has turned two perennially terrible teams and made them better immediately. Plus his tourney success is light years ahead. He knows how to motivate his players.
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If we had played Vermont and New Mexico St we would’ve been there too
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Depending on how you count the COVID year it wouldve been twice. That second team was really dangerous though and was already being talked about as an upset special. Also in his 5 years at ETSU he played in 4 conf champ games and won 2.
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Well winning conference tournament championships obviously don’t mean much considering Barnes just won one and here we are in this discussion…again, that list you presented has nobody who’s every made a S16 on it, kinda gets tossed out the window considering your chief complaint on Barnes is he doesn’t advance in the NCAAT. Again, you wanna throw proven names out there be my guest, there just aren’t many realistic ones. Hell, only 1 game on that list has ever even won a single NCAAT game in their career as a head coach, cmon man.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
If we had played Vermont and New Mexico St we would’ve been there too
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Everybody acts like Bruce’s Elite Eight was some amazing feat. Really, he only (barely) beat Ohio State. The first two wins were mid-majors (at best… one was really a low-major or mid-minor) that were 4th and 5th in their mediocre conferences. The first round win was only 62-59 over San Diego State. #4 in the Mountain West. Lots of luck is required whenever multiple games are won in the NCAAT.
 
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Musselman is a good coach, and he has elevated both Nevada and Arkansas. Barnes also elevated Texas to new heights as a program and he took over a dumpster fire here and has coached some of the best teams we’ve ever had. I’m not sure what the point of comparing them is. Musselman wasn’t a candidate when we hired Barnes and there isn’t any serious person who could be disappointed w what he’s done w our program
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So what
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So saying that we would’ve been there if we had played lesser opponents is a terrible excuse. Most people felt like Michigan shouldn’t have even made the tournament, and we let them beat us. We had our opportunity against a very mediocre team, and we squandered it. Arkansas didn’t. I love Barnes, and I think his players love him. But it’s hard to argue that he’s a better coach than Eric Musselman in this point of his career.
 
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Squoshua17 said:
So saying that we would’ve been there if we had played lesser opponents is a terrible excuse. Most people felt like Michigan shouldn’t have even made the tournament, and we let them beat us. We had our opportunity against a very mediocre team, and we squandered it. Arkansas didn’t. I love Barnes, and I think his players love him. But it’s hard to argue that he’s a better coach than Eric Musselman in this point of his career.
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So because Arky hit two threes to avoid getting upset and Tennessee missed two that would’ve won the game, Barnes is a worse coach than Musselman?
 
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Squoshua17 said:
So saying that we would’ve been there if we had played lesser opponents is a terrible excuse. Most people felt like Michigan shouldn’t have even made the tournament, and we let them beat us. We had our opportunity against a very mediocre team, and we squandered it. Arkansas didn’t. I love Barnes, and I think his players love him. But it’s hard to argue that he’s a better coach than Eric Musselman in this point of his career.
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They should not have been there because of their record, not because of how good they are. They are easily good enough to be there. Realistically a 5, 6, or 7 seed level of good. Maybe higher.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
They should not have been there because of their record, not because of how good they are. They are easily good enough to be there. Realistically a 5, 6, or 7 seed level of good. Maybe higher.
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Tennessee was a 14 loss 9 seed entering the 2011 tournament. Wonder if there were a bunch of posts here saying we shouldn’t have been in the tournament.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Unless the trolls have all created their accounts afterwards, yes. There would be a bunch of those posts.
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I believe that. Of course our performance in the tournament probably validated that. I’m remembering I think a 16-12 Dale Brown LSU team making it to the final 4 back in the day. Might have a bad memory on that, though.

Anyway, back on topic - I don’t really judge coaches on the fleeting moments of the NCAAT. I kinda just go by how I generally feel year to year. Been real happy with Barnes. Good teams, quality individuals across the program, lots of fun wins that make me smile for a long time. Based on my personal life, highest priority is disappointing the Kentucky basketball empire. He’s real good at that.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Well winning conference tournament championships obviously don’t mean much considering Barnes just won one and here we are in this discussion…again, that list you presented has nobody who’s every made a S16 on it, kinda gets tossed out the window considering your chief complaint on Barnes is he doesn’t advance in the NCAAT. Again, you wanna throw proven names out there be my guest, there just aren’t many realistic ones. Hell, only 1 game on that list has ever even won a single NCAAT game in their career as a head coach, cmon man.
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Im trying to be realistic with the names im throwing out there. Would I love to pull Drew, Musselman, Cronin etc... sure But im also smart enough to know those guys are long shots.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Im trying to be realistic with the names im throwing out there. Would I love to pull Drew, Musselman, Cronin etc... sure But im also smart enough to know those guys are long shots.
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So complain about Barnes lack of tourney success but suggest firing him and hiring someone with much less tourney success? Makes sense.
 
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