Barry Bonds

[milohimself]

I am sorry for venting on you. It is just that I am still a bit preturbed over what happened. That HR was all over a lot of channels, and I wanted to see the game, OK? I was livid, and to the point of throwing things. :gun: It's all good, I hope? :dunno:

Don't worry. It ain't nothin' compared to some other stuff that's been tossed around this board on occasion.

Just saw an interview with the guy who ended up with Bonds 715th HR ball. What a goofball. Barry Bonds is coming to the plate and he's going to the concession stand to get his wife some peanuts.

Whatever you think of Bonds . . . that's just PITIFUL! :shakehead:

How can you blame the guy? I would have been thinking the same thing. "He's gone three weeks without a homer, what's the chance he hits one now? I'm gonna go grab somethin' to eat while the coast is clear."

 

[hatvol96]

Come on now, 10 years compared to 4-5 years...........

Everyone keeps pulling up these pictures of Bonds in a Pittsburgh uniform. His last year in Pittsburgh was 1992.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

You referenced Jordan's physical change over a ten year period, Bond's physical change was less than 3 years.

Ok,

 

[hatvol96]

You referenced Jordan's physical change over a ten year period, Bond's physical change was less than 3 years.

Ok,

Better science. Doesn't explain Jordan's ballooning. People attack Bonds because they dont like him. If this were McGwire or Sosa, people would be falling all over themselves talking about how great an accomplishment this is. Bonds doesn't do false modesty. Joe Six Pack can't handle that. The public hates greatness because they can't achieve it themselves.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Better science. Doesn't explain Jordan's ballooning. People attack Bonds because they dont like him. If this were McGwire or Sosa, people would be falling all over themselves talking about how great an accomplishment this is. Bonds doesn't do false modesty. Joe Six Pack can't handle that. The public hates greatness because they can't achieve it themselves.

Better science, that is good stuff. :birgits_giggle:

I think I do agree with your final statement.

 

[volfan2024]

I think the problem was not the network breaking away to the game to watch Bonds but rather the stupid analysis they gave.Who on earth doesn't understand what was going on.Mark McGwire admitted to using steroids.Canseco did.I don't care that Bonds broke Babe Ruths record because Ruth was known to booze it up,Bonds uses steroids.The two together don't have half as much character as Hank Aaron IMO.If Bonds breaks that record, boo for him.Take Barry Sanders for instance, I think he would have easily beaten Walter Peytons record for most yards in the NFL, but he chose not to play another year.Barry deserved the rushing record way more than Bonds deserves the homerun record IMO.

 

[tidwell]

Better science. Doesn't explain Jordan's ballooning. People attack Bonds because they dont like him. If this were McGwire or Sosa, people would be falling all over themselves talking about how great an accomplishment this is. Bonds doesn't do false modesty. Joe Six Pack can't handle that. The public hates greatness because they can't achieve it themselves.

Rafael Palmeiro got a free ride last year, that's for sure.

Nothing is being said now about McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, or Caminiti because they have either fallen off the face of the earth or killed themselves due to their drug usage.

Fact is, Bonds testified before the grand jury that he used the "cream" and the "clear"... but of course, he didn't know what it was or why he's head and body ballooned out after he started using them and the human growth hormone.

All we as society can do is hope Barry doesn't keel over from heart failure in the next few years.

 

[hatvol96]

Rafael Palmeiro got a free ride last year, that's for sure.

Nothing is being said now about McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, or Caminiti because they have either fallen off the face of the earth or killed themselves due to their drug usage.

Fact is Bonds, testified before the grand jury that he used the "cream" and the "clear"... but of course, he didn't know what it was or why he's head and body ballooned out.

The fact is also that there were no rules in place regarding the use of such substances. Major League Baseball turned their heads until a guy the public hates started detonating records. By the rules in place for Major League Baseball, Bonds did absolutely nothing wrong. He catches hell because he has accomplished so much. The mediocre utilitymen and middle relievers who used steroids to simply nhang on in the Show don't catch any flack. The problem Bonds has is that he's too d$$n good.

 

[tidwell]

He was damn good, his skills began to diminish, so he started juicing. He was a Hall of Famer before, so why did he start taking all the drugs??? He'd rather be the "greatest" and stick it to the "haters" than live to be 50?

If McGwire, Sosa, and Palmeiro were still playing they'd be catching as much hell as Bonds is.

 

[Jasongivm6]

The fact is also that there were no rules in place regarding the use of such substances. Major League Baseball turned their heads until a guy the public hates started detonating records. By the rules in place for Major League Baseball, Bonds did absolutely nothing wrong. He catches hell because he has accomplished so much. The mediocre utilitymen and middle relievers who used steroids to simply nhang on in the Show don't catch any flack. The problem Bonds has is that he's too d$$n good.

I say let them all use steroids. McGwire, Sosa and Bonds detonated the records because of steroids. If they all take steroids and nobody comes close to what these 3 did, then it's a moot point.

 

[hatvol96]

He was damn good, his skills began to diminish, so he started juicing. He was a Hall of Famer before, so why did he start taking all the drugs??? He'd rather be the "greatest" and stick it to the "haters" than live to be 50?

If McGwire, Sosa, and Palmeiro were still playing they'd be catching as much hell as Bonds is.

Everyone who wasn't blind or terminally naive knew what was going on in '98 and nobody went after Sosa or McGwire. I understand what drove Bonds. He simply got sick of seeing inferior players setting historical marks with chemical help and no repercussions. He figured he might as well show them some real greatness.

 

[GAVol]

Everyone who wasn't blind or terminally naive knew what was going on in '98 and nobody went after Sosa or McGwire. I understand what drove Bonds. He simply got sick of seeing inferior players setting historical marks with chemical help and no repercussions. He figured he might as well show them some real greatness.

I think you're probably right. Bonds was nowhere near declining when he supposedly started juicing.

 

[tidwell]

Everyone who wasn't blind or terminally naive knew what was going on in '98 and nobody went after Sosa or McGwire. I understand what drove Bonds. He simply got sick of seeing inferior players setting historical marks with chemical help and no repercussions. He figured he might as well show them some real greatness.

I'm positive you were all over it back then hat, you don't miss anything.

I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt until they ADMIT to cheating and use steroids and various other chemicals.

 

[tidwell]

I think you're probably right. Bonds was nowhere near declining when he supposedly started juicing.

Nor was he jacking out 73 homeruns a season, he'd never even hit 45.

 

[vols2345]

Eh, who knows. He sure was fun to watch though.

 

[smokedog#3]

Nor was he jacking out 73 homeruns a season, he'd never even hit 45.

amazing what alittle THG will do for you. you to could hit 50 homers if you were all cranked up on that crap. he would have never hit 60 homers in a season if he wasn't juiced , that is the facts. :bad:

 

[Jasongivm6]

amazing what alittle THG will do for you. you to could hit 50 homers if you were all cranked up on that crap. he would have never hit 60 homers in a season if he wasn't juiced , that is the facts. :bad:

I know for a fact that I couldn't hit one home run against an MLB pitcher if I was juiced on the strongest steroids.

But some hitters in the MLB already know how to hit HR's. The juice helps them a whole lot more than it would me.

 

[hatvol96]

I'm positive you were all over it back then hat, you don't miss anything.

I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt until they ADMIT to cheating and use steroids and various other chemicals.

McGwire had been linked to steroids since the late '80s. Reporters found andro in his locker. He was huge compared to what he was when he came into the league. It didn't take Horatio Caine to put the pieces together. People overlooked it because they liked the guy.

Being a Bonds fan, I'm glad you believe his statement that he never knowingly used steroids.

 

[GAVol]

Being a Bonds fan, I'm glad you believe his statement that he never knowingly used steroids.

As much as I want to believe him, that is such a hard leap to take with him.

 

[hatvol96]

As much as I want to believe him, that is such a hard leap to take with him.

I'm as big a Bonds fan as you'll find. However, I have a real trouble buying the idea that a guy who assiduously records his caloric intake would just take whatever someone handed him. Maybe he didn't want to know and was creating a plausable deniability, but it does strain logic.

 

[volinasheville]

I think too you will find little support for McGwire and Sosa at this point. Those two, along with Palmeiro, clearly were juicing. I honestly don't believe any of them should be in the Hall.

 

[TennFan]

I don't care for Barry Bonds and I hope he NEVER has a chance to break Henry Aaron's record of 755 HRS! I know he'll probably go into the HOF. I was surprised to see Mark's record of 70HRS go down so quick. I thought it would be at least 10 years before it was broken.

 

[tidwell]

It's hard to tell who is and isn't juicing. I wouldn't have thought looking at Palmeiro that he was a steroid pup. He wasn't anywhere near as bulked up as McGwire, Sosa, or Bonds.

They should've all taken a page from Manny Ramirez and wear a uniform about 2 sizes too large for them. That buffoon Sosa actually rolled his sleeves up to show off the artificial guns... not that I wouldn't either if I had'em.

 

[smokedog#3]

It's hard to tell who is and isn't juicing. I wouldn't have thought looking at Palmeiro that he was a steroid pup. He wasn't anywhere near as bulked up as McGwire, Sosa, or Bonds.

They should've all taken a page from Manny Ramirez and wear a uniform about 2 sizes too large for them. That buffoon Sosa actually rolled his sleeves up to show off the artificial guns... not that I wouldn't either if I had'em.

i've seen sosa and palmeiro up close. palmeiro is alot bigger than you think, sosa just is huge. he's not all that tall, but he is huge. you'll never know who did or who didn't, you can get that big by using andro i have seen it first hand. at the time andro wasn't illegal and the players that used it shouldn't be punished. palmeiro has been caught using roids no way he gets into the hall of fame. barroid has denied it, which pretty much means he used everything he could get his hands on. he's dirty, his records shouldn't stand for anything. :bad:

 

[D MAN 335]

not that I wouldn't either if I had'em.

haha, yep

but ok... being buff doesnt help you hit a 90 mph slider... a good swing is a good swing.. he wouldn't have all the home runs if he hadn't taken any steroids, but make all those HR's doubles and you still have a hall of famer

a good swing is a good swing