Barry Obama's Really Earning that Peace Prize

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Vols520 said:
I honestly laughed out loud.
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You can laugh all you want while the point goes right over your head. Whether or not you accept that we are a growing empire, we are in fact spreading our military all over the globe and it is very costly. We are steadily increasing the deficit and printing money to service the debt.

Now can you make the connection between what the US is doing and what contributed to the fall of the most powerful empires in world history?
 
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nbakerld said:
I respect that, but I bet most people like you would change their tune if we paid for war through direct taxation rather than through devaluation of currency. Say if $50 were to come out of your next paycheck and subsequent checks would you still be for intervention?
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IP is a college kid. Ask him again when he has an actual income.
 
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nbakerld said:
You can laugh all you want while the point goes right over your head. Whether or not you accept that we are a growing empire, we are in fact spreading our military all over the globe and it is very costly. We are steadily increasing the deficit and printing money to service the debt.

Now can you make the connection between what the US is doing and what contributed to the fall of the most powerful empires in world history?
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Empire? The only land we have asked for this century in the conquest to grow our empire is to bury our fallen soldiers.
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NEOCON said:
IP is a college kid. Ask him again when he has an actual income.
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I've always worked while attending school. It's a very safe bet that 50 bucks means a lot more to me than it does to you, from what you have shared about your personal and professional life previously.
 
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nbakerld said:
You can laugh all you want while the point goes right over your head. Whether or not you accept that we are a growing empire, we are in fact spreading our military all over the globe and it is very costly. We are steadily increasing the deficit and printing money to service the debt.

Now can you make the connection between what the US is doing and what contributed to the fall of the most powerful empires in world history?
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Do you really think the point is going over anyone's head? I think he clearly heard your point. That's why laughed, after all.

We don't have an empire. What your map shows is the echoes and remnants of a fifty year war with the global spread of communism. Pretty big difference.
 
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IPorange said:
I hope you were complaining about military expenditures before with a previous president. Otherwise, you'd look like an ass.
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Someone asked a question here the other day that has caused me to re-think this whole thing. I am no longer sure we should be taking sides in internally perpetuated civil wars. What if the rebels win and are worse?
 
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sjt18 said:
The US is not imperialistic by any definition of the word.
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Maybe not by the traditional notion. The US isn't an empire that conquers and subjugates but there are a lot of people that would disagree with your statement. To me 737 military bases in foreign countries is imperialism. We don't conquer and attempt to make others American, but if a country does "get out of line" we have no problem stepping in. We control what goes on without colonization. That's still imperial behavior.

American imperialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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IPorange said:
Do you really think the point is going over anyone's head? I think he clearly heard your point. That's why laughed, after all.

We don't have an empire. What your map shows is the echoes and remnants of a fifty year war with the global spread of communism. Pretty big difference.
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If he got my point he would have addressed it. He didn't. He twisted my statement to make it appear I was saying the US is trying to conquer the world.

So the US has the greatest global military presence in world history but it's not an empire because we were "fighting" communism 2 decades ago? I might agree with you if we'd relinquish those outposts, but that's not the case. We continue to build more.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Not true. I don't see eye to eye with IP but his posts are normally worth reading.
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I agree. He seems pretty intelligent and has good info. I actually think the statement in question was directed toward somebody else. Not IP.
 
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By the way, each missile costs about $500K. So the 110 we dropped ran us up a bill of about $55 million. Hope it was worth it and that there wasn't too much collateral damage.
 
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sjt18 said:
The US is not imperialistic by any definition of the word.
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I honestly don't know if you are joking or not. I would like to think this statement is completely tongue-in-cheek, but I'm scared it isn't.
 
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sjt18 said:
The US is not imperialistic by any definition of the word.
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The US is most certainly imperialistic and neo-colonialist. The US government has shown time and time again that countries that either do not wish to accept and subject themselves to either our moral code and/or economic system threaten our "national interests" and therefore may be targeted with both violent and non-violent means of warfare.

Oh, and the US Navy is now the "Global Force for Good".
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I believe the term in the literature is now "neo-colonial." Nbak is absolutely right to point out the "Old School" imperialism with out MASSIVE global presence, to say nothing of absolutely Old School enterprises in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Saudi.

The new model, of course, is enforcing the dictates of the "Washington Consensus" via the global financial institutions we control. Furthermore, the support of pro-WC puppets (see Mubarak) is an essential facet of the neo-colonial model.

The way Libya vs Egypt has broken out has been entertaining for those of us in the know. Qaddafi, however, does enjoy significant support within Libya. It will be interesting to discover the depth of commitment from the G8 on the Libyan enterprise. Clearly, the hope is to empower the internal opposition enough to seize power, but they will require substantial subsidies from the West to govern as they lack the infrastructure and expertise to do it on their own. Moreover, there is no guarantee the residual political forces of Qaddafi will not make the country ungovernable despte massive Western inputs.

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. It may just require "Old School" imperialism to make it work. It already appears even the "battle hardened" neocons on VN have no stomach for much more.
 
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therealUT said:
The US is most certainly imperialistic and neo-colonialist. The US government has shown time and time again that countries that either do not wish to accept and subject themselves to either our moral code and/or economic system threaten our "national interests" and therefore may be targeted with both violent and non-violent means of warfare.

Oh, and the US Navy is now the "Global Force for Good".
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That has to be the most nauseating slogan for any branch of the US military, ever.
 
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Speaking of nauseating, read several of the ignorant/stupid (take your pick) posts in this thread.

Most forwarded message on twitter recently; "Obama has fired more cruize missiles than all other Noble winners combined!"

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Riot police arrest a protester during a demonstration
against the visit by U.S. President Barack Obama in
Concepcion March 21, 2011. Obama is in Santiago
on the second leg of his three-country Latin America
tour.

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