BCS 1 and 2

[VolunteerHillbilly]

If Tennessee beats Arkansas and then Arkansas wins out, Auburn still won't go to the SECCG. Arkansas holds the head-to-head tie-break and is currently undefeated in the SEC. Therefore, Florida would be playing a 10-2 Arkansas team.

Here are the non-common opponents between Auburn and Tennessee (and computer avg for each opp)

Auburn
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17 Washington St
82 Tulane
81 Ole Miss
85 Arkansas St
93 Miss State
116 Buffalo
average computer rank = 79

Tennessee
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3 California
47 Kentucky
66 Vanderbilt
71 Air Force
96 Marshall
113 Memphis
average computer rank = 66

In my opinion, Tennessee has played a better schedule than Auburn. However, that is not the point. If Auburn wins the SECCG and is 12-1, there is no way Tennessee would be ranked higher. Regardless of how the computers look at schedules, 12-of-13 is a higher winning pct than 11-of-12 and that carries alot of weight in the computers.

Thanks. I forgot that Arky did not have any conference losses. I appreciate the explanation and it opens up a whole new scenario/question.

IF UT wins out, Arky's only additional loss is to UT, and Arky beats UF in the SECCG could UT (11-1) jump Arky (11-2)?

 

[VolinArizona]

True, champions from AQ conferences get in automatically, unless the scenario above presents itself. #1 and #2 get in first. That trumps all else. One of the next rules is that 1 conference can't have more than 2 teams in BCS games. Therefore, if Tennessee and Auburn play for the BCS title, then even if Florida wins the SECCG they get left out.

This is reallllllllllly interesting. It's so highly unlikely, but is still possible.

In the SEC alone, Tennessee would have to win out, but Arkansas would have to win every game except the UT game to still have the West. Florida could only lose to W. Carolina or FSU.

That would have Florida and Arkansas with 2 losses and out of the NC picture, but still in the SEC Title game.

Oh well, it won't happen, because the national picture would need to be turned on its head.

 

[VolinArizona]

Thanks. I forgot that Arky did not have any conference losses. I appreciate the explanation and it opens up a whole new scenario/question.

IF UT wins out, Arky's only additional loss is to UT, and Arky beats UF in the SECCG could UT (11-1) jump Arky (11-2)?

We're ahead of Arkansas now, and would remain that way if we win out.

 

[allvol]

Thanks. I forgot that Arky did not have any conference losses. I appreciate the explanation and it opens up a whole new scenario/question.

IF UT wins out, Arky's only additional loss is to UT, and Arky beats UF in the SECCG could UT (11-1) jump Arky (11-2)?

I think the pollsters would keep Arkansas below Tennessee due to their 14-50 loss to Southern Cal plus Tennessee's head-to-head win over Arkansas... in this scenario. The Vols need to win first.

 

[VolinArizona]

Funny. The question at hand was whether or not a team had to be a conference champion to play for the NC. That is not based on someone's opinion. It's either true or it's not.

"Hi, I'm Liper, I don't understand."

Let me help. #1 vs. #2 is the BCS NC Game. We all know that, so you added nothing to it. However, there IS a rule that if you didn't win your conference title game, you can't play in it (again, I'm about 90% sure here).

You added little to the conversation. It's like those people who will come into a discussion about Tennessee vs. Vanderbilt and say "I'm only worrying about LSU right now." It's pointless.

 

[allvol]

"Hi, I'm Liper, I don't understand."

Let me help. #1 vs. #2 is the BCS NC Game. We all know that, so you added nothing to it. However, there IS a rule that if you didn't win your conference title game, you can't play in it (again, I'm about 90% sure here).

You added little to the conversation. It's like those people who will come into a discussion about Tennessee vs. Vanderbilt and say "I'm only worrying about LSU right now." It's pointless.

I believe I already posted the rules. There is nothing that I can find that states that if a team is ranked #1 or #2 but did not win their conference they can't play in the BCS title game. There was alot of talk about that after Nebraska got in a few years ago, but I don't think they added a rule.

2. AQ conference champions, regardless of ranking. Exception: If the #1 and #2 teams are from the same conference and neither is the champion, then the champion of that conference will not participate in the BCS.

 

[VolinArizona]

I believe I already posted the rules. There is nothing that I can find that states that if a team is ranked #1 or #2 but did not win their conference they can't play in the BCS title game. There was alot of talk about that after Nebraska got in a few years ago, but I don't think they added a rule.

You're the research guru, so I take more confidence in your statement than my own. I'll do some research, too.

 

[Liper]

"Hi, I'm Liper, I don't understand."

Let me help. #1 vs. #2 is the BCS NC Game. We all know that, so you added nothing to it. However, there IS a rule that if you didn't win your conference title game, you can't play in it (again, I'm about 90% sure here).

You added little to the conversation. It's like those people who will come into a discussion about Tennessee vs. Vanderbilt and say "I'm only worrying about LSU right now." It's pointless.

1. Let me help. You're wrong. The question wasn't whether #1 and #2 play in the NC game, it had to do with whether or not you had to win your conference to be eligible. You do not have to win your conference to be eligible.

2. Your analogy is false. One is based on fact and the other is subjective. Your analogy is pointless.

3. Apparently what I added was the truth, while you repeated several times something false. Would you like you go for another?

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Let's say AU and UT win out leaving both at 11-1. Arky beats UF in SECCG and both finish at 11-2. No SEC team makes the BCSCG so Arky goes to the Sugar Bowl. Who gets the BCS at-large invite, if anyone, from UT, AU and UF?

 

[WA_Vol]

One of the next rules is that 1 conference can't have more than 2 teams in BCS games.

this is another one of the reasons I dislike the BCS. The no. 3 team in the SEC basically gets the shaft. The SEC can have 3 teams ranked in the top 10 and one of the automatically gets pushed out of the BCS. I would rather see the top 10 teams in the AP play each other, 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4, etc. It would be a better system then what we have now.

 

[cotton]

AV:

1. I hope you are right.

2. I'm not getting them confused. I am taking into account the human polls large roll in determining the BCS ranking. Anything we can do (or other teams can do for us) to move up in the human polls will help in the BCS.

3. Again, I hope you are right.

The odd part is that if Tennessee and Auburn are #1 and #2 (and neither plays in the SECCG), even if Florida wins the SECCG, the Gators are left out any of the BCS games.

Here's another interesting scenario:

Auburn wins the SECG over UF to finish 12-1, UT wins out to finish 11-1.

OSU and WVU meet in the NCG. USC plays Mich in the Rose. BC gets ND in the Orange. Fiesta matches Texas and the weirdly automatic Boise St.

Does that leave Auburn vs. UT in the Sugar?

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

I would love to see WVU (assuming they beat Louisville) play OSU (assuming they beat MICH) in the national championship game. WVU and the entire Little East would be exposed, and the next time one of these teams goes undefeated beating division I-AA-quality teams, they will just be laughed at.