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If there is another thread focusing on this debate, mods please delete and/or merge. I've seen a few threads mention it but none dedicated.

I have a couple of questions, and post my stance as well.

Do you support the UA/LSU rematch?

Arguments against:

Bama didn't win conference or division, therefore not fair to LSU.

Bama didn't win conference or division, therefor not fair to other one-loss teams.

Should Bama win, it's a 1/1 tossup for the season.

Arguments for:

UA and LSU arguably the best two teams in college football this year. Perhaps the argument should be that Bama is the second best football team this year.

BCS not about conference or division champs, but focused on the two best teams playing. Like it or not, those two teams are LSU /Bama.

My take:

Of course it isn't fair. Should LSU have to play and win an extra game to play Bama in the NCG? Absolutely not. LSU is getting hosed.

Should number 1 play number 2? Absolutely, conference be damned.

Are LSU and Bama the two best teams this season? I have no doubt about that. However, I give LSU the edge and I'm a Bama fan.

To avoid Homerism, I'll say this: I think LSU would curbstomp any of the current BCS top 10, except Alabama. They might very well, handily, win a rematch.

I guess my question is, should the two best teams play for the title, or should a weak sister be placed at the LSU altar?

:hi:
 
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The only question I have is whatever happened to the ESPN jerkoffs that were having a fit back in 07 about the BCS game. Their biggest argument was that a team that is not even playing for their own conference championship has no business being mentioned about playing for a NC.

Funny how that works now. They did have Roll Tide commercials all over their networks before the season began and they even had an all access program as well.

I love ESPN.
 
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UGA insider said:
The only question I have is whatever happened to the ESPN jerkoffs that were having a fit back in 07 about the BCS game. Their biggest argument was that a team that is not even playing for their own conference championship has no business being mentioned about playing for a NC.

Funny how that works now. They did have Roll Tide commercials all over their networks before the season began and they even had an all access program as well.

I love ESPN.
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Can't argue. The ESPN talking heads are all but calling the rematch a done-deal. Some saying 95%, some 99.5 %.

Why? $$$?
 
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UGA insider said:
The only question I have is whatever happened to the ESPN jerkoffs that were having a fit back in 07 about the BCS game. Their biggest argument was that a team that is not even playing for their own conference championship has no business being mentioned about playing for a NC.

Funny how that works now. They did have Roll Tide commercials all over their networks before the season began and they even had an all access program as well.

I love ESPN.
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That was before the Big 10 was exposed as a national fraud. Five years later there's no doubt which conference plays the best football.

LSU or Bama would absolutely destroy Oklahoma State, Stanford, Boise State, Oregon or anyone else left in the BCS conversation.

If LSU beats UGA, and I fully expect them to, I have no problem with a LSU-Bama rematch.
 
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A champion means you're the best. If you cant win your division, you cant win your conference that means you are not the best. As nice as it is to have these two SEC teams up there Bama doesnt have a dog in the fight.

All this will clear up next week. Bama's big problem is they dont play while OSU, VaT, and Stanford all play. Idle teams tend to stay and active teams leap them. If OSU wins, they go to #2. OSU loses and VaT wins, Hokies jump to 2. Stanford next.

Why is ESPN bringing it up? Because contraversy sells, conformity doesnt
 
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Under the letter of the law, the bcs title game should be bama against lsu.

There still needs to be a rule for the title game saying both participants need to be conference champions.
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BamaHarv said:
Can't argue. The ESPN talking heads are all but calling the rematch a done-deal. Some saying 95%, some 99.5 %.

Why? $$$?
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I believe ESPN will televise the NC this year, even if its ABC it would be the same thing. I wonder what match up they want. The whole system is a fraud. I could go on and on.
 
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GreveHaller said:
A champion means you're the best. If you cant win your division, you cant win your conference that means you are not the best. As nice as it is to have these two SEC teams up there Bama doesnt have a dog in the fight.

All this will clear up next week. Bama's big problem is they dont play while OSU, VaT, and Stanford all play. Idle teams tend to stay and active teams leap them. If OSU wins, they go to #2. OSU loses and VaT wins, Hokies jump to 2. Stanford next.

Why is ESPN bringing it up? Because contraversy sells, conformity doesnt
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I see your point. At the end of the day, however, would you (with an honest vote) say OSU, VT or Stanford qualify as the second-best team in the nation?

I don't think anyone can say that with a straight face.

At any rate, this thread was meant to point out the glaring problems of the BCS system. Your point is as valid as any.
 
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BamaHarv said:
If there is another thread focusing on this debate, mods please delete and/or merge. I've seen a few threads mention it but none dedicated.

I have a couple of questions, and post my stance as well.

Do you support the UA/LSU rematch?

Arguments against:

Bama didn't win conference or division, therefore not fair to LSU.

Bama didn't win conference or division, therefor not fair to other one-loss teams.

Should Bama win, it's a 1/1 tossup for the season.

Arguments for:

UA and LSU arguably the best two teams in college football this year. Perhaps the argument should be that Bama is the second best football team this year.

BCS not about conference or division champs, but focused on the two best teams playing. Like it or not, those two teams are LSU /Bama.

My take:

Of course it isn't fair. Should LSU have to play and win an extra game to play Bama in the NCG? Absolutely not. LSU is getting hosed.

Should number 1 play number 2? Absolutely, conference be damned.

Are LSU and Bama the two best teams this season? I have no doubt about that. However, I give LSU the edge and I'm a Bama fan.

To avoid Homerism, I'll say this: I think LSU would curbstomp any of the current BCS top 10, except Alabama. They might very well, handily, win a rematch.

I guess my question is, should the two best teams play for the title, or should a weak sister be placed at the LSU altar?

:hi:
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Changes that need to be made (that won't because of $$):
- Get rid of divisions. Best two teams play in the conference championship. Or don't have conference championships.
- All conferences have a championshi, if any do.
- Top 10 teams play in a BCS playoff bowl system, separate from the other, meaningless, bowls. If you won your conference and you belong to a $&!+ conference, tough if you're not top 10.
- Bowl venues are based on top five bidding bowls, with the 5 rotating for NC game.

This season could potentially blow the BCS to hades. I ain't sayin' it's likely , but what if UGA beats LSU. Bama goes to NC game without winning the conference?!?!
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
Changes that need to be made (that won't because of $$):
- Get rid of divisions. Best two teams play in the conference championship. Or don't have conference championships.
- All conferences have a championshi, if any do.
- Top 10 teams play in a BCS playoff bowl system, separate from the other, meaningless, bowls. If you won your conference and you belong to a $&!+ conference, tough if you're not top 10.
- Bowl venues are based on top five bidding bowls, with the 5 rotating for NC game.

This season could potentially blow the BCS to hades. I ain't sayin' it's likely , but what if UGA beats LSU. Bama goes to NC game without winning the conference?!?!
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wow. Did you come up with that all on your own? Gosh, no one has thought of that :snoring:
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
(...snip...) This season could potentially blow the BCS to hades. (...snip...)
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I hope it does. There has to be a better way.

Look at it this way - I'm a Bama fan. SHOULD Bama face LSU in the NC game, and should they win, there will always be that question.

Corndogs can say it was a 1 game/1 game tossup, and they'd have a valid point. They can bring up the regular season win, and they'd have a valid point.

I'm not sure what I think at this point, to be honest. As a fan, I'd much rather Bama reach the title game as SEC champs. That won't happen.

As a fan I would be dishonest in saying I DON'T want Bama to play in the title game. That's my homerism coming out though.

On one hand, Bama and LSU are arguably the two best teams. On the other, D1 College football has always been about polls and opinion.

There has to be a better way.
 
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Alabama and LSU are the 2 best teams in the nation. Everyone on this board knows it.They both have beaten other sec teams with almost identical scores. Either team would easily beat any of the other teams in the mix. Georgia may pull off the upset, but don't really think that will happen. After watching some of the sec teams play this past weekend, it is sad to see how terrible some of them are, hopefully that will change.
 
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I dont have a prob with 1 vs 2 for NC game. Isnt that the way it should be?
 
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volger said:
I dont have a prob with 1 vs 2 for NC game. Isnt that the way it should be?
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I don't think anybody really has a problem with that. The problem most people have is the way you determine who the #1 and #2 teams are. I also have a big problem with the lack of consistency in determining who plays for a NC.

The networks want traditional powers playing for a NC as well, so the "analysts" have a big influence in the NC argument.
 
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GreveHaller said:
A champion means you're the best. If you cant win your division, you cant win your conference that means you are not the best. As nice as it is to have these two SEC teams up there Bama doesnt have a dog in the fight.

All this will clear up next week. Bama's big problem is they dont play while OSU, VaT, and Stanford all play. Idle teams tend to stay and active teams leap them. If OSU wins, they go to #2. OSU loses and VaT wins, Hokies jump to 2. Stanford next.

Why is ESPN bringing it up? Because contraversy sells, conformity doesnt
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Think there might be too big a gap in the rankings now
 
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GreveHaller said:
A champion means you're the best. If you cant win your division, you cant win your conference that means you are not the best. As nice as it is to have these two SEC teams up there Bama doesnt have a dog in the fight.

All this will clear up next week. Bama's big problem is they dont play while OSU, VaT, and Stanford all play. Idle teams tend to stay and active teams leap them. If OSU wins, they go to #2. OSU loses and VaT wins, Hokies jump to 2. Stanford next.

Why is ESPN bringing it up? Because contraversy sells, conformity doesnt
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Actually, idle teams tend to stay exactly where they are.
 
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Depends on how long idle

But 1 week wouldnt cause anywhere near enough to make too significant a difference with as large of a ranking gap as it currently is


ESPN would have to throw its hat in and openly politic for a team (a la 2007 LSU) however theyve pretty much shown so far no desire for such
 
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I think Oklahoma State should get in over Bama if they beat OU. Talking heads may think Bama is better, but they can't know that for sure when LSU and Bama haven't played anyone in the Big 12 this season. Other than Kansas, the Big 12 was a very deep league this year. A case can be made that, unlike most years, the Big 12 was superior to the SEC this season.

And, it shouldn't be about matching the two best teams. It should be about matching the teams that had the two best seasons. 11-1 Big 12 Champ > 11-1 SEC West Runner-up.

And, I think too much is often made of how "bad" or "good" a team's single loss was. If a team's only loss was to a mediocre team, then that also means they beat all of the top teams on their schedule.

It is also unfair to LSU for them to play what might be an all-or-nothing SEC title game and then have to beat a team they already beat on the road, after said team sat out with a bye.

It would also be really goofy for LSU to lose to UGA and then watch a Bama-OSU title game.
Virginia Tech didn't stick its neck out at all in non-conference play this season, and the ACC has proven itself to be weak compared to the SEC and Big 12, so the argument ends with OSU.
I think LSU should be in the national title game, regardless of the result of the LSU-UGA game. I think OSU should get in if they beat OU. And, I think Bama's hopes should be pinned on OU beating OSU.
 
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If LSU and OSU win, and Bama is placed in the national title game, it will be solely because of the SEC's recent dominance in national title games. That is the reason LSU and Bama are perceived to be so much better than the rest of the nation. I think it's incredibly unfair for Bama to be #2 right now.
 
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Not really much to debate.
These two are easily the best two teams in the country & it took OT to get a winner the first time.

Okie Lite is gonna get beat by a beat up Sooner team & either one of Bama/LSU would have the game wrapped up at halftime
 
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