BCS does it again

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Volfan76 said:
I will agree with this and the OP at the same time. There is room for improvement with BCS formula but I don't think playoff is the answer. The BCS formula could be made near perfect by increasing the weight of the strength of schedule in the BCS formula. Until that happens, the same problem is going to exist and a playoff won't fix it. We will just be arguing over who goes to the playoff instead of the national championship.
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Totally disagree. The computers suck, and have sucked since the system started. Increasing "SOS" in their formulas would do nothing to help pick the correct teams.
 
#77
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Cartervol said:
The 4 team playoff isn't going to fix anything. It will be better. The argument will be who deserves that 4th spot. They should just make it 8 and be done with it. Include the conference champs from the power conferences and a wild card or two. Still will be a argument who deserves the wild card spots. Still better than a bunch of coaches and sports writers deciding it though.
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8 won't fix it either, plus it just creates more problems such as....how fair is it for an SEC team to play through the rigors of an SEC schedule and then have to play through the rest of the best teams in the country simply because some teams refuse to schedule quality opponents. Look how injured most SEC teams are at the end of the season and then we would have to face a fresh schools who have played little more than practice games all year.
 
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bamawriter said:
So, hypothetically, you would argue that Stanford is more deserving of a NC opportunity than Alabama?
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Yep.

Did Bama win their conference? Nope. Then they are not the best representative of the SEC. They had their shot and they tripped over it.

Giving Bama a shot when they didn't play for the SEC championship nor even win their division only serves one purpose - to make sure there's a even number of teams to make a playoff tree. The quality doesn't count. Only the number of teams. Might as well send sportsmanship trophies to all the teams and go out for ice cream if you want to let teams less deserving compete for a NC.
 
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byobbio said:
Brilliant. Let's follow the lead of the FBS. They have like 1,400 people in attendance. We want to follow that? They have smaller athletic budgets because they have no crowds at the games and no tv!

Look, I appreciate all the utopians wanting a playoff. On the surface, it looks like a great concept. But, to get something like this, you have to give somewhere else. My take is that the games that really mean something will come in post season. Why? You have teams playing in August in front of packed stadiums now. But, if we put so much more emphasis on the post season, those kinds of crowds will drop off considerably (See NCAA basketball). It just does not work.

I'm all for crowning an undisputed champion but not at the expense of what college football is today. I'm tired of all these politicians trying to make this a better sport. For me, it's as good as it needs to get.
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Well you can be a dinosaur and die off with the BCS, or accept the future. There is no going back.
 
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I'm good with 4 max. Not really sure about dropping the BCS formula as a whole and the committee. I'm sure there are plenty of people on here that would walk circles around C Rice when it comes to the sport. So that really made me rethink the committee part.

I just don't see people traveling to fill 60k+ stadiums for up to 3 games. It can be tough for 2 games in a 4 game playoff in these economic times too. With the winter conditions in places like Indy or even in Dallas during those times. The logistics for all of it just has potential to get messy. Plus the additional wear and tear on the players. Imagine all the potential lawsuits when a future 1st rounder gets hurt to make "schools and the NCAA more money" they "never" get.
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So let me get this straight. 5 different teams from Big 5 conference have one loss. Only one gets a chance at the national title...and this is supposed to help the BCS' case?
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I'm good with 4 max. Not really sure about dropping the BCS formula as a whole and the committee. I'm sure there are plenty of people on here that would walk circles around C Rice when it comes to the sport. So that really made me rethink the committee part.

I just don't see people traveling to fill 60k+ stadiums for up to 3 games. It can be tough for 2 games in a 4 game playoff in these economic times too. With the winter conditions in places like Indy or even in Dallas during those times. The logistics for all of it just has potential to get messy. Plus the additional wear and tear on the players. Imagine all the potential lawsuits when a future 1st rounder gets hurt to make "schools and the NCAA more money" they "never" get.
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The "wear and tear" argument is complete bullcrap. If that were really a consideration, they would have never added a 12th regular season game permanently, nor made it so that every 6-6 team makes it to a bowl game, nor expanded conferences so that almost every conference now has a championship game.

As far as the 3+ games, they simply need to make the first round the higher seed hosts. I see no problem with that.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
The "wear and tear" argument is complete bullcrap. If that were really a consideration, they would have never added a 12th regular season game permanently, nor made it so that every 6-6 team makes it to a bowl game, nor expanded conferences so that almost every conference now has a championship game.

As far as the 3+ games, they simply need to make the first round the higher seed hosts. I see no problem with that.
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No bullcrap about it bud. "Wear and tear" is a possibility when u potentially add 2 more games vs top competition for teams with a high # of players that have potential nfl prospects. Nvr said the powers at be care about them but the concern needs to be there for these kids. Also the extra bowl game has been around forever for 6-6 teams so that's has nothing to do with what I was saying.

I love how people like u think that it's so "simple" to have the first round hosted by the higher seeded team. As if it's such a novel idea or politics would have no barring on anything. With the high amounts of money being thrown around by stadiums it may not be as "simple" as u think etc. Though ur "new never thought of idea" is something I too believe could be best if it were to get to that pt.

So with all that said...ur response really did nothing to change my opinion. I personally believe 4 games is sufficient. Thanks though bud.
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#85
#85
the BCS was the best thing that ever happened to the SEC, I hope a 4 team play off works as well and i think its enough.

as for a bigger play off we already have one, its called the regular season where every single game counts.
 
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vols4evah said:
the BCS was the best thing that ever happened to the SEC, I hope a 4 team play off works as well and i think its enough.

as for a bigger play off we already have one, its called the regular season where every single game counts.
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Or just 11 of them. You can drop one depending on where you were ranked in the preseason and when you lost. Oh.. and who you lost to and maybe by how much.

Preseason rankings are fun to discuss but they are part of the problem.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Or just 11 of them. You can drop one depending on where you were ranked in the preseason and when you lost. Oh.. and who you lost to and maybe by how much.

Preseason rankings are fun to discuss but they are part of the problem.
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Totally agree. Pre-season rankings guarantee that the final standings won't be about total resume. Rather, they'll be about who lost to who, and when.
 
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byobbio said:
Brilliant. Let's follow the lead of the FBS. They have like 1,400 people in attendance. We want to follow that? They have smaller athletic budgets because they have no crowds at the games and no tv!

Look, I appreciate all the utopians wanting a playoff. On the surface, it looks like a great concept. But, to get something like this, you have to give somewhere else. My take is that the games that really mean something will come in post season. Why? You have teams playing in August in front of packed stadiums now. But, if we put so much more emphasis on the post season, those kinds of crowds will drop off considerably (See NCAA basketball). It just does not work.

I'm all for crowning an undisputed champion but not at the expense of what college football is today. I'm tired of all these politicians trying to make this a better sport. For me, it's as good as it needs to get.
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There is no correlation between attendance and using a playoff. FCS have lower attendance because they are smaller schools in smaller communities (I know, who would've thunk it). The single greatest determinant in increasing attendance is winning, period. After that, its scheduling games that the fan base wants to see. This one explains your basketball claim. You won't see Rupp Arena filled to see them whip up on some chumps in the cellar of a mid major conference.

Bottom line is you have 11 conferences playing Division 1 FBS football. If you're going to let them play division 1-fbs, it is only logical that you give each conference champion a chance to prove what they can do on the field against teams they would not otherwise face. 11 teams doesn't exactly make a useful tournament field, so you have 5 at large berths to make it an even 16 (you also have to give Notre Same a way in. Sad, but true). It wouldn't take any longer than the current bowl calendar to complete the playoffs. Instead of waiting 6 weeks, we'd actually have games to watch this weekend.

This is the only way to determine a TRUE National Champion, and this is a fact.
 
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voltnh said:
There is no correlation between attendance and using a playoff. FCS have lower attendance because they are smaller schools in smaller communities (I know, who would've thunk it). The single greatest determinant in increasing attendance is winning, period. After that, its scheduling games that the fan base wants to see. This one explains your basketball claim. You won't see Rupp Arena filled to see them whip up on some chumps in the cellar of a mid major conference.

Bottom line is you have 11 conferences playing Division 1 FBS football. If you're going to let them play division 1-fbs, it is only logical that you give each conference champion a chance to prove what they can do on the field against teams they would not otherwise face. 11 teams doesn't exactly make a useful tournament field, so you have 5 at large berths to make it an even 16 (you also have to give Notre Same a way in. Sad, but true). It wouldn't take any longer than the current bowl calendar to complete the playoffs. Instead of waiting 6 weeks, we'd actually have games to watch this weekend.

This is the only way to determine a TRUE National Champion, and this is a fact.
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A TRUE national champion does not include wild card teams that didn't win their conference. In your world its more important to fill the slots with non champions than to find the TRUE champion you want. Your little tirade contradicts itself. Fail.
 
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vols4evah said:
the BCS was the best thing that ever happened to the SEC, I hope a 4 team play off works as well and i think its enough.

as for a bigger play off we already have one, its called the regular season where every single game counts.
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The regular season is just that. There should be and will be a post season to determine the champion. No post season is incredibly stupid.
 
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So to all who are saying the BCS sucks, I have a couple of questions.

1. Did the BCS get it right when we won our NC in 1998?

2. How are the teams going to be picked for the 4 team playoff? Is it just conference champions? Ok then but what about those conferences that don't have a championship game?
 
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#93
BigOrangeTrain said:
You got that right. The BCS got it absolutely right this year. I think the playoff system will ultimately be worse than the BCS system.
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How the hell do you know that? Did Auburn prove its superiority against the other four 1-loss major conference teams head to head?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So to all who are saying the BCS sucks, I have a couple of questions.

1. Did the BCS get it right when we won our NC in 1998?
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I'm not sure that Kansas State wasn't more deserving than FSU, despite their double OT loss in the Big XII title game. But that is no reflection on Tennessee, if that was what you were asking.

2. How are the teams going to be picked for the 4 team playoff? Is it just conference champions? Ok then but what about those conferences that don't have a championship game?
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No, it isn't just conference champs. Though conference titles will be given weight when comparing two teams with similar resumes.
 
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GreveHaller said:
A TRUE national champion does not include wild card teams that didn't win their conference. In your world its more important to fill the slots with non champions than to find the TRUE champion you want. Your little tirade contradicts itself. Fail.
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Fail, yourself. The championship would be determined on the field instead by these trivial polls. Nearly 75% of the field will be conference champions. The entire field will represent the top 10% of college football.

There is not a better way to determine a champion. There is no arguing that I am 100% correct on this.
 
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#97
I think it will eventually get to 4 mega conferences(16 teams per conference) and an 8 team playoff. Too much money to be made. What has always bothered me about the bowl system is that in no other sport would you finish the season and take a month break before playing for the championship. It's a joke! Start the playoff in December so the teams are hitting on all cylinders.
 
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#98
voltnh said:
Fail, yourself. The championship would be determined on the field instead by these trivial polls. Nearly 75% of the field will be conference champions. The entire field will represent the top 10% of college football.

There is not a better way to determine a champion. There is no arguing that I am 100% correct on this.
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Anytime you select a team to even via for a National Championship and they havent won anything, then that's not a TRUE champion, as you say. That's merely an end of the year tourney.

Sorry you're butthurt because you're wrong. You're logic is full of sportmanship trophies.
 
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GreveHaller said:
Anytime you select a team to even via for a National Championship and they havent won anything, then that's not a TRUE champion, as you say. That's merely an end of the year tourney.

Sorry you're butthurt because you're wrong. You're logic is full of sportmanship trophies.
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You must have missed the part where I was 100% correct on this. I have every other sport's playoff system (including every other division of college football) on my side, validating my argument. What you got??? Computer rankings and crony pollsters?
 
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