BCS game showed exactly why...

[JFBanicki]

Well back to the OP. All anyone has to do is look at alabama and see their players in the NFL to see why college success means nothing in the pros. Bama has put in lots of players in the NFL lately but very few are producing at the levels they were expected too based off of what they did in college. But sadly Bama will contiue to get players drafted high and they will continue to be lackluster.
The current players are playing on a team that is far better than most of their opponents so of course alot of the players are gonna look alot better than they really are. Its almost impossible to gauge how good a player is whent hey play on a team like bama. Are the RBs and QBs really as good as they are or are the Lineman just making it easy for them, so they look better and would be far worse when they don't have a line that dominates the Dline. Is one Dlineman really good or does he just look good because hes playing along side players that require double teams leaving him holes to get pressure on the QB and tackle the rb.
The fact is Teo is a great player and will still be a first rounder. He disappeared in the NC game because the players around him were being dominated and weren't able to help when he needed it. he was still able to get free and shed blocks and get in position to make a play but his teammates weren't doing their jobs so it made it so that Teos only chance at plays was at odd angles or while trying to shed a blocker.
The only thing the BCSNC showed was that Bama is far and away the best all around college team and being loaded with nfl talent wil continue to be and will win many more NCs in the coming years. They have NFL level talent all over, NFL stars no, but most of their roster is good enough to at least make an NFL team and the few that aren't look like they should make the NFL because of the talent around them. Bama is the closest we'll ever see to an NFL team playing against college teams. This is also why I have no respect for Saban as a coach. He can win when he has more talent than everyone else, but when he's coaching against an equally talented team he's only mediocre, that was proven in Miami and why he won't ever go back to the pros.

 

[99gator]

He's a 4th round draft choice and a chance.

The fact of the matter is that the elite (for now) program in the SEC exposed him--

1) The speed of the game left him out of position to make plays and he couldn't make tackles;

2) He wasn't strong enough to tackle RBs who were big, strong, and fast; and

3) He isn't physical enough (right now) to get off blocks in time to get into position to make tackles.

Even when he had blitzed and came through the line untouched and hit Yeldon--A TRUE FRESHMAN RB IN THE SEC--He couldn't make the play. I know that I'm gonna get hammered for this, but YES--that one play is extremely significant in his evaluation.

If you think that an NFL team is gonna draft him high and give him a huge contract worth millions--no way.

An Al Wilson or Jerrod MAYO he is not! :salute:

now, apply this logic back in the "most improved linebacker" thread and i believe you will see where i am coming from.

 

[1972 Grad]

I don't know where you're coming from and why you felt the need to compare the 1998 VOLS with the 2012 ND blathering Irish--but I'm calling Bullsh*t on your attempts to compare teams and schedules! And comparing 2012 Pitt to the 1998 Fla Gators is one of the stupidest statements I've ever read on this site!

Nobody in 1998 said that we deserved to be in the NC game. We were lucky to beat Arky because of Stoerner's stumble and fumble. FSU beat an extremely talented and good Florida team 23-12 with THE SAME 3rd string QB that played against us! Funny how people forget that fact. In fact, it was used as an argument for WHY FSU was gonna beat us...FSU steamrolled the Gators and were guaranteed to streamroll US--the lucky and undeserving VOLS. Everyone expected the outcome of the 1998 NC game to go as the 2012 NC game went with FSU beating us like Bama beat ND.

No one gave us any credit like they did ND in this year's hype. No one gloated over Al Wilson like they did #5 for ND. FSU had the #1 ranked D in the country and would rip our hearts out and dominate us like Bama did ND this year.

There's just one thing that proved we belonged: WE already were SEC champions and WE WON the game! We got the job done against the #1 defense in the nation. We did lose some turnovers in the game, too. We did it without our OC that we'd had all year! We did it with Randy Sanders calling plays for his first game EVER against the #1 D in the land.

Don't even try to compare the 1998 VOLS with the 2012 ND Irish. The 1998 VOLS would have put the beat down on this 2012 ND team in the same fashion that Bama did.

I've said it before and I'll say it again--better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're stupid than open your mouth and remove all doubt!

:salute:

You really need to lay off the sweets man. Where I am coming from is that I answered a post which said that ND didn't belong in the championship game, and the person responded with how they were lucky to escape this or that, and that their schedule was weak. They were lucky, just like the 98 Vols were lucky, and like countless teams that have won the nat. championship.

Tennessee could have or should have lost 3 games that year. Syracuse( shady pass interference call), Florida(botched field goal in OT), and Arkansas (Stoerner fumble). I remember some team in the Big 8 years ago getting to the Champ. game by getting 5 downs to score in a regular season game. I think it was Nebraska or Colorado.

The comparison about the ND/Pitt game and the Tenn/Fla game was about winning a game due to a missed field goal, nothing more. At no point did I compare your beloved 98 Vols to ND this year , other than luck, and that they earned or lucked their way into the game. I am sorry that I stepped on your toes about your heroes. I will say this about your last sentence. It is better to learn reading comprehension before you spout off about a subject that you assume someone is talking about.

As far as regular season schedules go, I would say that Tenn. played 3 good teams that year( Fl, Ga,and Ark). 2 or 3 others were decent only( Syracuse, Miss. State, Ala). I would have to look at ND's schedule again, but it wasn't a pushover schedule. They just got thoroughly whipped by a well prepared Ala team.

 

[volbeast33]

Like I said--I expected to get hammered for making that statement about teo, but I still stand behind it. Time will tell...

and I do realize that NEBRASKA did beat us pretty good Al Wilson was a JR...but you neglect to remember that the Wilson-led Defense held Nebraska to <100 yds in that game in the first half, and I believe it was <50 yds rushing. [Bama had more than that in their second drive].

Chavis played 8 in the box like ND was trying to play Bama in the first half with a 3-deep secondary. Nebraska hit some passes to the TE, and I believe that we had a D-Lineman hurt at the end of the first half and we went back to a base 4-3--which allowed Nebraska to be more effective running the ball and they pummeled us in the second half.

However, if you think you've just disproved what I said about Teo--NO, you did not and I will not agree. Al Wilson's complete college career of playing in the SEC says otherwise. Al could get off of blocks--Al Wilson did blow up RBs--and Al Wilson did tackle in that Nebraska game. Al Wilson could cover TEs and RBs out of the backfield and his whole career at UT proved it. The same goes for Jerrod Mayo....

So go try to convince someone else that Teo's performance in the NC game is comparable to Al Wilson's and Mayo's performances....:salute:

So u try to pinpoint one particular part of the game as proof even if that's what really happened. Nebraska had more total yes than Alabama did in the national championship game including 409 yds rushing against us in the game. Teo had a really good season this yr, I do agree he is a little bit too hyped but still a good player.

I don't know if you have noticed but there are several players playing in the NFL that didn't come from the SEC.

 

[MikeVol44]

Well back to the OP. All anyone has to do is look at alabama and see their players in the NFL to see why college success means nothing in the pros. Bama has put in lots of players in the NFL lately but very few are producing at the levels they were expected too based off of what they did in college. But sadly Bama will contiue to get players drafted high and they will continue to be lackluster.
The current players are playing on a team that is far better than most of their opponents so of course alot of the players are gonna look alot better than they really are. Its almost impossible to gauge how good a player is whent hey play on a team like bama. Are the RBs and QBs really as good as they are or are the Lineman just making it easy for them, so they look better and would be far worse when they don't have a line that dominates the Dline. Is one Dlineman really good or does he just look good because hes playing along side players that require double teams leaving him holes to get pressure on the QB and tackle the rb.
The fact is Teo is a great player and will still be a first rounder. He disappeared in the NC game because the players around him were being dominated and weren't able to help when he needed it. he was still able to get free and shed blocks and get in position to make a play but his teammates weren't doing their jobs so it made it so that Teos only chance at plays was at odd angles or while trying to shed a blocker.
The only thing the BCSNC showed was that Bama is far and away the best all around college team and being loaded with nfl talent wil continue to be and will win many more NCs in the coming years. They have NFL level talent all over, NFL stars no, but most of their roster is good enough to at least make an NFL team and the few that aren't look like they should make the NFL because of the talent around them. Bama is the closest we'll ever see to an NFL team playing against college teams. This is also why I have no respect for Saban as a coach. He can win when he has more talent than everyone else, but when he's coaching against an equally talented team he's only mediocre, that was proven in Miami and why he won't ever go back to the pros.

laughable....but we shall see..

 

[MikeVol44]

You really need to lay off the sweets man. Where I am coming from is that I answered a post which said that ND didn't belong in the championship game, and the person responded with how they were lucky to escape this or that, and that their schedule was weak. They were lucky, just like the 98 Vols were lucky, and like countless teams that have won the nat. championship.

Tennessee could have or should have lost 3 games that year. Syracuse( shady pass interference call), Florida(botched field goal in OT), and Arkansas (Stoerner fumble). I remember some team in the Big 8 years ago getting to the Champ. game by getting 5 downs to score in a regular season game. I think it was Nebraska or Colorado.

The comparison about the ND/Pitt game and the Tenn/Fla game was about winning a game due to a missed field goal, nothing more. At no point did I compare your beloved 98 Vols to ND this year , other than luck, and that they earned or lucked their way into the game. I am sorry that I stepped on your toes about your heroes. I will say this about your last sentence. It is better to learn reading comprehension before you spout off about a subject that you assume someone is talking about.

As far as regular season schedules go, I would say that Tenn. played 3 good teams that year( Fl, Ga,and Ark). 2 or 3 others were decent only( Syracuse, Miss. State, Ala). I would have to look at ND's schedule again, but it wasn't a pushover schedule. They just got thoroughly whipped by a well prepared Ala team.

I'll try one more time...I did agree with your original post that ND was worthy of a shot because they are undefeated...there would have been a riot if they didn't get into the NC game...

I don't agree with your post and reasoning concerning a weak schedule and luck getting into the NC game--it would have been a plausible argument if posted BEFORE the actual NC game was played--but is indefensible after the whoopin' the IRISH took from Bama.

Syracuse was a very good team in 1998 with McNabb at QB in the Carrier Dome. Almost no one beat them back then in the Carrier Dome. It was a good game and we did get a PI call to extend a drive. However, review the film and you will see it was the right call--UNPOPULAR, but correct call. If you hit the receiver before the ball gets there--PI called every time. It was a SEC crew--so everyone says we got a break. The films shows otherwise. Same squabble concerning the Stanford RB breaking the plane of the goal line--clearly he did, replay official says he didn't.

The Fla game went to overtime because we hit their RBs and caused fumbles inside the 10 yd line. That's not luck, it's effort. Kickers miss FGs. We made ours, Fla missed theirs. ND fumbled their OT chance away this year against Pitt--but Pitt missed their short FG to win. Not luck for the Irish, but Pitt was a very poor team in the Big East and outplayed ND all game long--except on one play.

Arky played well enough to beat us in 1998 but didn't. Some call it luck--like you do--I don't and here's why. We had several turnovers in that game. We also were the victims of an extremely important and WRONG call by the officials on the safety when the punter kicked the ball through the endzone from the field of play. It should have been our ball on the 2 yd line with a chance to go ahead 27-20 with less than 5 min. to go in the game. This is not opinion--this is a factual statement about a blown call and is a verifiable statement made by the SEC in the week following the game about that specific call.

Billy Ratliff also forced B. Bulsworth (RIP) back into Stoerner's path to cause him to stumble and fumble. We recovered, but we also had to score to win and did--not luck, EFFORT! I can't help that Houston Nutt was stupid enough to call a bootleg when all he had to do was run the ball or sit down on it. But his stupidity, Ratliff's effort, and Stoerner's fumble were certainly not accidents, nor luck. As I've already said, we had already been robbed of our opportunity to win the game from the 2 yd line.

And, FSU beat the #4 ranked Fla Gators in their final game of the year to get into the NC game with Outzen--their 3rd string QB, 23-12.

Concerning strength of schedule:

1998 Vols:
Rank when played Final Rank
#17 Syracuse #25
#2 Fla Gators #5
#7 UGA #14
#10 Arkansas #16
#23 Miss. State unranked
#2 FSU #3

2012 ND:

#10 Mich. State unranked
#18 Michigan #24
#17 Stanford #7
#8 Oklahoma #15
#2 Bama #1

This information also defeats your argument about similar strength of schedules. Tennessee also had to play in a conference championship...ND doesn't...

Any way you look at it--AFTER all has been said and done--TENNESSEE proved on the field that they deserved to be in the game, their #1 ranking, and won their NC because they were better than everyone else.

ND didn't....I'm done with you now, but I stand behind the final statement I made to you in the last post. :disappointed:

 

[1972 Grad]

I'll try one more time...I did agree with your original post that ND was worthy of a shot because they are undefeated...there would have been a riot if they didn't get into the NC game...

I don't agree with your post and reasoning concerning a weak schedule and luck getting into the NC game--it would have been a plausible argument if posted BEFORE the actual NC game was played--but is indefensible after the whoopin' the IRISH took from Bama.

Syracuse was a very good team in 1998 with McNabb at QB in the Carrier Dome. Almost no one beat them back then in the Carrier Dome. It was a good game and we did get a PI call to extend a drive. However, review the film and you will see it was the right call--UNPOPULAR, but correct call. If you hit the receiver before the ball gets there--PI called every time. It was a SEC crew--so everyone says we got a break. The films shows otherwise. Same squabble concerning the Stanford RB breaking the plane of the goal line--clearly he did, replay official says he didn't.

The Fla game went to overtime because we hit their RBs and caused fumbles inside the 10 yd line. That's not luck, it's effort. Kickers miss FGs. We made ours, Fla missed theirs. ND fumbled their OT chance away this year against Pitt--but Pitt missed their short FG to win. Not luck for the Irish, but Pitt was a very poor team in the Big East and outplayed ND all game long--except on one play.

Arky played well enough to beat us in 1998 but didn't. Some call it luck--like you do--I don't and here's why. We had several turnovers in that game. We also were the victims of an extremely important and WRONG call by the officials on the safety when the punter kicked the ball through the endzone from the field of play. It should have been our ball on the 2 yd line with a chance to go ahead 27-20 with less than 5 min. to go in the game. This is not opinion--this is a factual statement about a blown call and is a verifiable statement made by the SEC in the week following the game about that specific call.

Billy Ratliff also forced B. Bulsworth (RIP) back into Stoerner's path to cause him to stumble and fumble. We recovered, but we also had to score to win and did--not luck, EFFORT! I can't help that Houston Nutt was stupid enough to call a bootleg when all he had to do was run the ball or sit down on it. But his stupidity, Ratliff's effort, and Stoerner's fumble were certainly not accidents, nor luck. As I've already said, we had already been robbed of our opportunity to win the game from the 2 yd line.

And, FSU beat the #4 ranked Fla Gators in their final game of the year to get into the NC game with Outzen--their 3rd string QB, 23-12.

Concerning strength of schedule:

1998 Vols:
Rank when played Final Rank
#17 Syracuse #25
#2 Fla Gators #5
#7 UGA #14
#10 Arkansas #16
#23 Miss. State unranked
#2 FSU #3

2012 ND:

#10 Mich. State unranked
#18 Michigan #24
#17 Stanford #7
#8 Oklahoma #15
#2 Bama #1

This information also defeats your argument about similar strength of schedules. Tennessee also had to play in a conference championship...ND doesn't...

Any way you look at it--AFTER all has been said and done--TENNESSEE proved on the field that they deserved to be in the game, their #1 ranking, and won their NC because they were better than everyone else.

ND didn't....I'm done with you now, but I stand behind the final statement I made to you in the last post. :disappointed:

I feel unfazed that you "are done with me," but I am not done. Your hero worship of 20 year old college students gets in the way of objectivity on your part. Tennessee played 5 teams that won 4 or fewer games in 1998, while ND played only 1 team with 4 or fewer victories. ND's opponents had a combined record of 85-68. The 1998 Vols' opponents had a combined record of 71-69. The regular seasons were similar. The bowl game was different.

One bowl game does not a season make, as I'm sure the 1938, and I believe the 1951 Vols will attest to. I am not comparing teams. I am comparing the 2 teams' right to be in the championship game.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

It is not so much the teams you have played, as much as it is the team that you are. Notre Dame had no firepower on offense and no answer on defense for Bama. We had both against FSU in 98. Two totally different scenarios. No comparison.

 

[Biopsyman]

Te'o is overhyped.. Signed Brain Bosworth

 

[1972 Grad]

It is not so much the teams you have played, as much as it is the team that you are. Notre Dame had no firepower on offense and no answer on defense for Bama. We had both against FSU in 98. Two totally different scenarios. No comparison.

I NEVER compared the 98 Tennessee team to the 12 ND team. How many times must I say that? I merely said that, based on the REGULAR SEASON, ND was just as worthy of a spot in the Championship game as the 98 Vols were. Why is this so hard for some to grasp? That one guy made all kinds of incorrect assumptions based on my posts, and was rude to me in the process. He basically called me an idiot, because he assumed I meant one thing when I clearly didn't.

Orange colored glasses really cloud some people's vision.

 

[MikeVol44]

I feel unfazed that you "are done with me," but I am not done. Your hero worship of 20 year old college students gets in the way of objectivity on your part. Tennessee played 5 teams that won 4 or fewer games in 1998, while ND played only 1 team with 4 or fewer victories. ND's opponents had a combined record of 85-68. The 1998 Vols' opponents had a combined record of 71-69. The regular seasons were similar. The bowl game was different.

One bowl game does not a season make, as I'm sure the 1938, and I believe the 1951 Vols will attest to. I am not comparing teams. I am comparing the 2 teams' right to be in the championship game.

I gotta give you props for going down with your ship in a failed attempt to prove a stupid point.....

YOU brought the 1998 schedule up to prove that ND deserved to be in the 2013 NC game just as much as the 1998 Vols did. You PROVE that the weak sisters on UT's schedule in 1998 were worse than the weak sisters on ND's 2012 schedule. GREAT JOB! [but you fail to realize that ND played 1 more game in the regular season than the 1998 Vols].

You attempt to prove that the 1998 Vols had a lot of luck to make it into the NC game--WRONG! If anything, injuries and bad calls almost kept us out of the game--and I've made that abundantly clear in prior posts. Luck had nothing to do with it.

The only hope your argument had to prove to be a valid one was if ND would have beaten Bama in the NC game--but they GOT HAMMERED just like #24 Michigan did!

That--more than anything else--proves they didn't belong in the NC game. But my point is that it is not the only evidence that PROVES ND didn't belong. We both agree that ND was gonna get a shot in the NC game because they went undefeated.

Here's where we disagree--the 1998 NC Vols played more teams that were ranked and remained in the top 25throughout the season than ND did in 2012.

The NC 1998 Vols played 6 ranked teams out of 13 games--4 of which were ranked in the top 10 when they played, and only one of those teams fell out of the top 25--Miss. State, who finished 8-5.

Of those 6 teams--2 finished in the top 5, 2 in the top 20, and 1 finished 25th.

ND in 2012 played a total of 5 ranked teams in 13 games. Only 3 of those teams were ranked in the top 10when they played--and the highest ranked team ND played before #2 Bama was #8 Oklahoma. Of those 5 teams, only 2 of them that ND beat finished the season ranked in the top 20. Michigan finished at #24.

And ND lost to Bama almost as bad as the 5-7 2012 Vols did! So ND beat 3 ranked teams in the final tally and got the crap beat out of them by #1.

I don't care how many W-L records you compare of the opponents--it's not a valid argument to make when the rankings tell a completely different story--and the final LOSS by ND seals the deal.

It's incredible that you attempt to say that you are not comparing these two teams when you spend so much time comparing their records and the records of their opponents. You are indirectly comparing them to prove that ND belonged in the NC game as much as the '98 Vols did.

What makes it a STUPID argument is that you're still saying it AFTER ND got the HE** beat out of them just 3 nights ago! That's why I made and stand by the "stupid" comment earlier today!

 

[1972 Grad]

I gotta give you props for going down with your ship in a failed attempt to prove a stupid point.....

YOU brought the 1998 schedule up to prove that ND deserved to be in the 2013 NC game just as much as the 1998 Vols did. You PROVE that the weak sisters on UT's schedule in 1998 were worse than the weak sisters on ND's 2012 schedule. GREAT JOB! [but you fail to realize that ND played 1 more game in the regular season than the 1998 Vols].

You attempt to prove that the 1998 Vols had a lot of luck to make it into the NC game--WRONG! If anything, injuries and bad calls almost kept us out of the game--and I've made that abundantly clear in prior posts. Luck had nothing to do with it.

The only hope your argument had to prove to be a valid one was if ND would have beaten Bama in the NC game--but they GOT HAMMERED just like #24 Michigan did!

That--more than anything else--proves they didn't belong in the NC game. But my point is that it is not the only evidence that PROVES ND didn't belong. We both agree that ND was gonna get a shot in the NC game because they went undefeated.

Here's where we disagree--the 1998 NC Vols played more teams that were ranked and remained in the top 25throughout the season than ND did in 2012.

The NC 1998 Vols played 6 ranked teams out of 13 games--4 of which were ranked in the top 10 when they played, and only one of those teams fell out of the top 25--Miss. State, who finished 8-5.

Of those 6 teams--2 finished in the top 5, 2 in the top 20, and 1 finished 25th.

ND in 2012 played a total of 5 ranked teams in 13 games. Only 3 of those teams were ranked in the top 10when they played--and the highest ranked team ND played before #2 Bama was #8 Oklahoma. Of those 5 teams, only 2 of them that ND beat finished the season ranked in the top 20. Michigan finished at #24.

And ND lost to Bama almost as bad as the 5-7 2012 Vols did! So ND beat 3 ranked teams in the final tally and got the crap beat out of them by #1.

I don't care how many W-L records you compare of the opponents--it's not a valid argument to make when the rankings tell a completely different story--and the final LOSS by ND seals the deal.

It's incredible that you attempt to say that you are not comparing these two teams when you spend so much time comparing their records and the records of their opponents. You are indirectly comparing them to prove that ND belonged in the NC game as much as the '98 Vols did.

What makes it a STUPID argument is that you're still saying it AFTER ND got the HE** beat out of them just 3 nights ago! That's why I made and stand by the "stupid" comment earlier today!

You still don't understand what I have been saying. Let me try again. First of all, forget the NC game. I am not considering that. I am talking about what was required to get there.

Based on what it took to get in a NC game, the best record in the regular season, and a #1 or #2 ranking at the END OF THE REGULAR SEASON, the 2012 ND team belonged in the NC game as much as the 98 Vols. I started this exercise in futility by defending their being in the NC game.

Another thing is that I hate ND, and don't think that they were the best or second best team in the country. I didn't think it before the game, and they certainly didn't do anything to change my mind. They played a decent schedule, they beat every one of them, and nobody else outside of Ohio State did that, I don't believe.

Would they have gone undefeated in the SEC? No, they would lose to at least 2 teams in each division, maybe more, but like Oklahoma, they ran into a buzz saw in the bowl game. Their season as a whole shows that they are better than they were against Alabama. I think Alabama is a whole lot better than the rest when they have the rest, the prep time, and a goal in focus. Nobody would have given them a decent game. They pretty much killed everybody all year except A & M and Georgia, and A & M got them right after the LSU comeback win.

I don't believe that we are that far apart on what we are saying. You are assuming too much.

 

[terrypedigo]

He looked small, Bama costs him 5 to 10 spots and some cash.

 

[MikeVol44]

You still don't understand what I have been saying. Let me try again. First of all, forget the NC game. I am not considering that. I am talking about what was required to get there.

Based on what it took to get in a NC game, the best record in the regular season, and a #1 or #2 ranking at the END OF THE REGULAR SEASON, the 2012 ND team belonged in the NC game as much as the 98 Vols. I started this exercise in futility by defending their being in the NC game.

Another thing is that I hate ND, and don't think that they were the best or second best team in the country. I didn't think it before the game, and they certainly didn't do anything to change my mind. They played a decent schedule, they beat every one of them, and nobody else outside of Ohio State did that, I don't believe.

Would they have gone undefeated in the SEC? No, they would lose to at least 2 teams in each division, maybe more, but like Oklahoma, they ran into a buzz saw in the bowl game. Their season as a whole shows that they are better than they were against Alabama. I think Alabama is a whole lot better than the rest when they have the rest, the prep time, and a goal in focus. Nobody would have given them a decent game. They pretty much killed everybody all year except A & M and Georgia, and A & M got them right after the LSU comeback win.

I don't believe that we are that far apart on what we are saying. You are assuming too much.

I hear you--and after reading this last post--please forgive me for the "stupid" comments I made. That was not fair to you because I see that we really aren't that far apart.

I hate ND, too, but think that the NC game exposed them for the mediocre team that they actually are--JMO. I also think the major reason that ND doesn't join the Big 10 is because they know it would be much more difficult for them to get to the NC game.

I think 2014 will be a step in the right direction to fix all this garbage. Peace! and a good day to you! k:

 

[MikeVol44]

He looked small, Bama costs him 5 to 10 spots and some cash.

I think Bama dropped him from 1st round to 4th round (maybe 3rd at tops)--that's a lot of cash.

I do think he's a good kid, though, I never meant to say anything negative about the guys character. :salute:

 

[1972 Grad]

I hear you--and after reading this last post--please forgive me for the "stupid" comments I made. That was not fair to you because I see that we really aren't that far apart.

I hate ND, too, but think that the NC game exposed them for the mediocre team that they actually are--JMO. I also think the major reason that ND doesn't join the Big 10 is because they know it would be much more difficult for them to get to the NC game.

I think 2014 will be a step in the right direction to fix all this garbage. Peace! and a good day to you! k:

Not meaning to start this up again, but if Ohio State had not been on probation, and had won the Big 10 Ch. game, Alabama wouldn't have been at the big dance. It would have been ND and OSU. That sounds exciting.

 

[SickEmSmokey14]

Te'o was exposed. It was good coaching on Alabama's defensive unit. But, Te'o will have an NFL career. He had a bad game. No one can be perfect every single game. Mistakes and film help you learn and become a better player.

 

[Phat-Phil]

Glad I'm not the only one confused by the op...that post was all over the place.

 

[Phat-Phil]

I think this is more of an indictment on the BCS than on Notre Dame or it's players, collectively or individually. The BCS has no business letting Notre Dame in without ND having earned their way in by way of some sort of Preliminary Championship Game. Bama had to go put it on the line BIG TIME against UGA, and was at SERIOUS risk to lose that game, but Notre Dame waltzes through a season filled with big name teams that underachieved big time and they were only tested once or twice. I'm glad the BCS only has 1 more year to rear it's ugly head, because it's an awful system, recently at least.

I think it's bullsh!t that ND got in over Stanford. I think it's horsesh!t that LSU and Bama got to play last year. If you don't win your Conference Championship game, you shouldn't get to compete for the National Championship, simple as that. Were LSU and Bama the 2 best teams last year? Probably, but both of them did not win the division, and only one had to put their championship hopes on the line while the other sat back comfortably with nothing to lose, same as Notre Dame did this year.

Anyway, end rant.

You do realize that ND beat Stanford this year right? So how is it bs that they got in over them?

 

[LLcoolDave]

Sorry, but Te'o is still a good pro prospect. He never was and never will be burner, but he'll be a good heady LB at the next level. Probably not Probowl material, but decent at the next level. He can't win a game by himself, though and his Dline got pushed around bad.

I agree. He had a bad game...not all his fault but one game isn't going to break his career and I doubt he took a hit among the nfl scouts and GM's. Dude is big, pretty quick, aggressive and seems to have the work ethic...I think Te'o will be a pretty good pro and eventually will be starting in the league soon enough.

 

[tenmanjonez]

You do realize that ND beat Stanford this year right? So how is it bs that they got in over them?

Please, if we're going to reply to someone's post, take away the point of the post. My point is not that Stanford got screwed out of the BCS game, because they didn't. But, if you want to make that the case, I'll kindly point you to last year's BCS national championship game and leave that with this question: Who won the first matchup between last year's competitors?

My point was that Notre Dame didn't have to put ANYTHING on the line. Notre Dame, 12-0, played Bama 12-1... Notice anything different about those 2 records? Yes, Bama has a loss, but has also played an EXTRA game. They have risked their shot at the title one more time than Notre Dame. My point is that Stanford DESERVES it more because they played and won the conference championship game. Notre Dame sat at home and twiddled their thumbs watching Rudy.

 

[Phat-Phil]

I think Bama dropped him from 1st round to 4th round (maybe 3rd at tops)--that's a lot of cash.

I do think he's a good kid, though, I never meant to say anything negative about the guys character. :salute:

Te'o will not drop that far. Everyone has a bad game from time to time. He just happened to have one at the worst possible time when the whole nation was watching so everyone is overreacting to it. One bad game does not drop someone from a top 15 pick to the 4th round. He will still go in the mid-to-late 1st round IMO.

 

[Boca Vol]

Te'o will not drop that far. Everyone has a bad game from time to time. He just happened to have one at the worst possible time when the whole nation was watching so everyone is overreacting to it. One bad game does not drop someone from a top 15 pick to the 4th round. He will still go in the mid-to-late 1st round IMO.

So you've never seen an NFL Combine before. Ronald Davis from UT moved his way into the 1st round by running a sub 4.40/ 40 at the combine. People rise and fall based on their vertical jump at the combine.

If you don't thing Lacy raised his stock and T'eo lowered his based on Mon night's performance, you're nuts.

 

[TrueOrange]

Yes, the best way to judge any and every amateur athlete is by a single game.

 

[MikeVol44]

Yes, the best way to judge any and every amateur athlete is by a single game.

Well, I get the sarcasm and no, as a whole, it is not the best way--but the Bama game was a FAIR arena for determining if the hype is warranted and the player in question is the real deal--especially after having 6 weeks to evaluate the opponent's offense, heal up, and prepare mentally to play the game!

I can only tell you that a few years ago I told a friend of mine who liked Matt Leinart a LOT that Leinart would NEVER be good in the NFL.

I came to that conclusion from watching him throw the ball in the NC game against Texas that year. I know that you don't know me, but it did turn out to be true.

I can remember a LOT of folks who thought that Ryan Leaf's entire BODY of work meant that he would be better than a guy named Manning....

The Bama game was an accurate gauge for evaluating Teo's ability to play the position of LB against NFL caliber competition right now (all of Bama's OLine will be in the NFL)...Therefore, I believe he will drop to either a 3rd or 4th round pick. It's JMO...and I could be wrong, but don't think so. 6-2 255lb LBs who can't run, get off of blocks, and cover do not usually get drafted in the first round.

Also, I don't think Teo would have won those awards if he didn't play for ND...here's why.

A comparison of two D-1 LBs season stats:

Teo...................................................other LB

13...................games played.................12
128.................total tackles...................138.
62....................solo tackles....................63
66.......................assists........................75
13.5.......................TFL.........................8.5
5..........................sacks.........................1
4........................QB hurries.....................8

Teo is spoken of as one of the best to ever play the position in the history of college FB (Musberger's comments) as Teo took the field against Bama.

The other LB--if you haven't guessed it by now--is AJ Johnson of our beloved but beleagured 5-7 Vols.

I'd draft CJ Mosley from Bama before I'd draft Teo!

Now, just why do you think he's so good--other than what you've read in the papers and heard on ESPN???