Be honest, we punted.

#26
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Vol4life25 said:
I dont care if he was our 87th choice......he was the right choice and that is all that matters.

We were crazy to not ask Butch before Strong in the first place.

Butch has beat Strong head to head 2/3 times. (Almost 3/3)
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Yeah but unfortunately we hired the wrong butch
 
#27
#27
615vols said:
The whole "real fan" thing goes both ways though. You don't like people saying you're less of a fan for talk of no longer donating or going to games, switching teams you support, whatever it may be. I find it annoying that people talk about "accepting mediocrity " with this hire when he was only hired today! We know nothing yet! And the child like behavior of those posting classless things on coach jones' twitter is flat out embarrassing. Did I expect Jones to be the man when this started? No. But I'm going to support him until we know if he's truly our Guy or not.
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Well said.
 
#29
#29
CBJ is a better hire than Kiffin

Votes to enter top 25

Penn St. 83, Vanderbilt 67, Wisconsin 62, Texas 51, San Diego St. 22, Fresno St. 20, Oklahoma St. 15, Baylor 15, Cincinnati 15, TCU 14, Arkansas St. 13, USC 11, Tulsa 9, Rutgers 6, Ball St. 2, West Virginia 1, North Carolina 1

Who do you think had more talent?

College Football - Rankings - Rivals.com
 
#30
#30
Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Look, I admit I was not really happy when I first heard about Butch Jones, I'm still ticked about many things really more to do with Hart. But enough of this Pollyanna your not a VFL if you're not a pom pom shaking sheeple sucking up to how great our situation is.

I will also admit reading more and more about Butch Jones, he does seem like a solid coach that may have potential. He may even have more going for him then Dooley..... :dry: or he may not. The reality is no one based on anything known so far can say wether he will or will not be the greatest hire since DD. :dry: Maybe he's the next Neyland, and maybe it takes more then a buzz cut to size up to the general.

But what I also know is Hart doesn't really have the slightest clue either. We went 3 and out with hiring and we punted....maybe it will be good maybe it will be bad, will take 3-4 years to even know, because this was not the sort of hire that will exactly shake up the recruiting trail.

Either way though HART gave perhaps the worst performance in this search that is possible. And no that has nothing to do with any Gruden rumors....it was just a really lack luster search.

But this Pollyanna bit about just how happy happy joy joy joy things are going.....just stop it. I may have to swallow and hope for best, but I don't have to like it....

Don't question my loyalty to a school which I actually went to and have loved every day of my life just because these antics make me nauseous.

and I esp don't have to like the direction Hart and Cheek are taking us....I care cause this school has mattered to me from day one, and will matter to me long after those two work somewhere else. VFL!
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OMG! I wish I could "like" this post 50 times! Well said.
 
#32
#32
Vol_atile said:
Why do the "sunshine pumpers" feel they have to sell this guy?
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Cuts both ways. There is a sales job going on with every post on this thread.

There are positive and negatives towards Jones. The negatives are a lack of familiarity recruiting against big-time programs in the Southeast for elite players, relatively little experience in a true rebuilding situation, and little name recognition in our part of the country outside of Big East/CUSA communities.

The positives I've mentioned elsewhere. And I tend to view Jones as an asset to the program because the positives outweigh the negatives on him.
 
#33
#33
Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Look, I admit I was not really happy when I first heard about Butch Jones, I'm still ticked about many things really more to do with Hart. But enough of this Pollyanna your not a VFL if you're not a pom pom shaking sheeple sucking up to how great our situation is.

I will also admit reading more and more about Butch Jones, he does seem like a solid coach that may have potential. He may even have more going for him then Dooley..... :dry: or he may not. The reality is no one based on anything known so far can say wether he will or will not be the greatest hire since DD. :dry: Maybe he's the next Neyland, and maybe it takes more then a buzz cut to size up to the general.

But what I also know is Hart doesn't really have the slightest clue either. We went 3 and out with hiring and we punted....maybe it will be good maybe it will be bad, will take 3-4 years to even know, because this was not the sort of hire that will exactly shake up the recruiting trail.

Either way though HART gave perhaps the worst performance in this search that is possible. And no that has nothing to do with any Gruden rumors....it was just a really lack luster search.

But this Pollyanna bit about just how happy happy joy joy joy things are going.....just stop it. I may have to swallow and hope for best, but I don't have to like it....

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Don't question my loyalty to a school which I actually went to and have loved every day of my life just because these antics make me nauseous.

and I esp don't have to like the direction Hart and Cheek are taking us....I care cause this school has mattered to me from day one, and will matter to me long after those two work somewhere else. VFL!
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0[/youtube]
 
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#35
He might be a home run hire...or he might be a single. I have no issue with him personally....my issue is with this cluster **** that has been the last 4 years of Tn football and those in admin responsible for much of it.

Butch Jones seems like good people, and I will root for him...but the process that led us here, and the sunshine pumping still make me sick. I'd feel a lot better if he'd go rub Phil's belly for good luck.
 
#37
#37
Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Look, I admit I was not really happy when I first heard about Butch Jones, I'm still ticked about many things really more to do with Hart. But enough of this Pollyanna your not a VFL if you're not a pom pom shaking sheeple sucking up to how great our situation is.

I will also admit reading more and more about Butch Jones, he does seem like a solid coach that may have potential. He may even have more going for him then Dooley..... :dry: or he may not. The reality is no one based on anything known so far can say wether he will or will not be the greatest hire since DD. :dry: Maybe he's the next Neyland, and maybe it takes more then a buzz cut to size up to the general.

But what I also know is Hart doesn't really have the slightest clue either. We went 3 and out with hiring and we punted....maybe it will be good maybe it will be bad, will take 3-4 years to even know, because this was not the sort of hire that will exactly shake up the recruiting trail.

Either way though HART gave perhaps the worst performance in this search that is possible. And no that has nothing to do with any Gruden rumors....it was just a really lack luster search.

But this Pollyanna bit about just how happy happy joy joy joy things are going.....just stop it. I may have to swallow and hope for best, but I don't have to like it....

gagmewspoon-o.gif


Don't question my loyalty to a school which I actually went to and have loved every day of my life just because these antics make me nauseous.

and I esp don't have to like the direction Hart and Cheek are taking us....I care cause this school has mattered to me from day one, and will matter to me long after those two work somewhere else. VFL!
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How the **** can you say he may or may not be better than Dooley?! He was a God awful hire. This guy has promise.
 
#38
#38
Vol_atile said:
Why do the "sunshine pumpers" feel they have to sell this guy?
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Because at this point, the best thing for Tennessee is for the fans to come together and support this guy.

Call me a sheep if you want, but I can't see any reason not to support a winning coach. jmo
 
#39
#39
The Tall Gguy said:
This guy came from the Big East and MAC. He has no idea how to recruit in the big leagues and if coaches don't want to come to Tennessee what makes you sunshine pumpers think players will? This will be the worst recruiting class in many years and we will be looking for a new coach after 3 more years of 5-7 seasons. When the excuses run out again another change will be made, but the empty seats at Neyland may make that sooner rather than later.[/QUOTE

Urban Meyer and Les miles say hey.
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#40
#40
The Tall Gguy said:
This guy came from the Big East and MAC. He has no idea how to recruit in the big leagues and if coaches don't want to come to Tennessee what makes you sunshine pumpers think players will? This will be the worst recruiting class in many years and we will be looking for a new coach after 3 more years of 5-7 seasons. When the excuses run out again another change will be made, but the empty seats at Neyland may make that sooner rather than later.
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The coaching carousel works that way. Eventually UT will either need a coach when a great one is available along with the money to hire him... or they'll find someone like Jones who is a great coach just waiting to be discovered.

If he's smart, and I would suppose he is, he will retain Graham and maybe a couple of others who are solid coaches and recruiters. He'll then ask for the big bucks UT was ready to throw at Gruden, Fisher, or some other hot name to make UT's next DC and maybe OC the highest paid in CFB. Round out the staff by raiding other SEC programs for assistants.

The personality I saw in the press conference today looks like he will be a good closer. Every great recruiting program has assistants that find talent and develop relationships and a HC who can close the deal.
 
#42
#42
T.N. Buckingham said:
Kirby Smart would've been the punt.

What we've got is an experienced, winning head coach who has spent his time focused entirely on the operation of his football program. He's a leader of men and the men in his charge will run through brick walls for him. He's someone who actually wants to coach football, wants to coach it at Tennessee, and will work extended hours to be a success.

In short, he is everything Dooley was not.

I'm conflicted about the future of Tennessee football. I know Butch Jones will bust his ass for Tennessee. I know Dave Hart will do what he can to see that effort pay off; he's now on the line with this hiring.

But I can see Booger Eater and his minions saying one thing to UTAD and Jones, then proceding to head off in the anti-athletic direction they've been heading for the last several years.

I came away from the tweets of our current players, the comments of his former players and the press conference wanting Jones to succeed and buying in to his mission statement for Tennessee football. I liked his emphasis on teaching going hand in hand with recruiting in evaluation of potential assistants. Also appreciated his plan to focus efforts on winning recruiting battles in-state. We've gotten good players from Tennessee, especially on offensive lines where Tennesseans formed the foundation of strong balanced attacks.

This "punt" of ours could work out--especially if the people in the lines of authority over Jones give him the support necessary to win in this conference.
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Very, very, good post :good!:
 
#43
#43
straferockefeller said:
the saddest part of this hire for me is that arkansas has managed to hire considerably bigger names for their last two coaches than ut. Why? Arkansas gets petrino / tennessee gets dooley...arkansas gets bielema / tennessee gets jones. Either tennessee, for some reason, is less attractive to potential coaches than arkansas, who faces lsu and alabama...or, the hiring efforts of ut have been deficient. For clarity, i'm not suggesting bielema is a home run hire or that jones will be a flop, but bielema is undeniably more highly regarded than jones. From my perspective, it appears as though arkansas' ad has simply been more determined. Why? To put it another way...with the previous hire, ark got the head coack of the atl falcons while tennessee got the coach from la tech. With this hire, ark got the coach from wisconsin and tenn, a school with a better tradition, a softer conference, and geographical superiority, got the coach from cincinatti, after trying to land bigger names. Regardless of who we think butch jones may become, the truth remains...ut is being outsold by ark.
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#44
#44
I really see no reason to be upset with Hart.... Except for the lack of communication.

A little more communication with media/fan base.. and we wouldn't have all of these stupid rumors everywhere.

If there is ANYTHING we should take from this coaching search, its that no one around has a for sure 100% source, and you cant believe the rumors floating around this town.

I heard a deal was already done so many times, we are paying like 10 Head Coaches right now.. no wonder the program is broke.


TL/DR : No one knows anything about what happened in this coaching search, who was at fault for deals going bad etc..can't put it all on hart
 
#46
#46
jeffmcflurry27 said:
I agree with the first half of your post. But neither you, nor I, truly know even 1% of everything that Hart did in his coaching search. All we know is that the program is in shambles, they are still paying Fulmer on top of Dooley, and that they were turned down by 3 other coaches. But, all the reasons as to why UT was turned down are unknown to us and I, for one, am willing to bet that it wasn't all Harts fault.
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That's the main problem. We interviewed only 3 coaches. We shoulda went to the Nfl level and top schools coaches and coordinators.
 
#47
#47
A punt won the Miami game in 2003...

Edit: it also made us look foolish against Arky last year, so I'd say your metaphor is sound
 
#48
#48
Well if you punt you can at least score on defense you know what I'm saying?

I am cautiously optimistic about this hire.
 
#49
#49
When we hired Dooley, everyone thought it was a great hire too. Let it play out. Butch may be a good hire, or he may be more of the same. I am just glad Bray is leaving.
 
#50
#50
Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
That's why I called it a punt. You DON't know...and after 4 years of fail....I was hoping for a conversion.
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I didn't say I didn't know. I said you can't glean from his coaching history that he will fail at UT. He has a more proven track record than a lot of the 'so called' big names that others were floating. Gruden has exactly NO experience as a college head coach. I wanted Gruden for no other reason than to rub mark may's nose in it because he called UT fans delusional for wanting/expecting him. But, that isn't a very good reason for wanting a coach is it? I want to give this coach a chance, he's earned it!
 
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