Beldar to Bama?

[volfanhill]

SEC bylaw 19.8.1.2 states that if a school is considering hiring an individual “who has engaged in unethical conduct” or has participated in activity that resulted in Level I or Level II NCAA violations, the school president is “expected to consult directly with the Commissioner” before any hire can be finalized.

Report: The SEC stopped Alabama from hiring Hugh Freeze (Update)

When did "consult" equal stop or block?

 

[WillisWG]

When did "consult" equal stop or block?

by definition never but after consulting Bama moved on from Freeze. There is weight in the Commisioner's opinion.

 

[WillisWG]

Fulmer turned in Bama for cheating. Bammers blame Fulmer for the penalties associated with Bammers cheating.

So, blame the accuser for the crimes of the accused.

Makes sense.....in Alabama

Bama did blame Fulmer but it was Houston Nutt who dropped the dime on them.

While Cottrell attorney Tommy Gallion painted University of Tennessee boosters and former Vols coach Phillip Fulmer as grand conspirators in a plan to take down Alabama, Wilson notes that it was another SEC rival that alerted the NCAA about Means' recruitment.

NCAA transcripts and depositions taken for his case point to Arkansas as the school that alerted the NCAA, according to Wilson.

Arkansas officials told the NCAA that Lynn Lang, the coach at Trezevant High in Memphis, admitted to shopping Means around and that when an Arkansas recruiter told Lang he doubted anyone would offer money for the player, Lang replied that "Alabama is all about business."

Judge's book goes behind the scenes of Cottrell case

 

[WillisWG]

The claims in these articles are in such a bizarro world it's beyond belief.

"During that era, one of the Vols’ wealthy boosters, Bud Adams flaunted his lavish spending on Tennessee players and recruits, while admitting he broke NCAA rules."
I never knew Bud Adam's was a UT booster.

"In Fulmer’s career, Tennessee likely broke far more NCAA rules over the last 30-plus years than Ole Miss and Auburn combined."
But didn't break more rules than Bama? Fulmer was at UT for "the last 30-plus" years?

One person who helped point the finger at Young was self-described Tennessee booster Roy Adams.

In two different faxes to Kramer -- dated April 13 and 17, 1998 -- Fulmer was critical of Adams while also discussing Alabama's recruiting practices.
"Roy Adams is a [derogatory expletive] who associates with anyone who will hang around him from any school anywhere," Fulmer wrote. "He has been disassociated from any contact with our program for the whole time I've been the head coach and well before that."

Fulmer went on to state that he heard Young had mafia connections, "But I can't operate my program with that jerk buying players from under our nose!"

In the second fax, Fulmer said: "Roy Adams, Memphis, probably won't say anything because he's involved with kids himself from all over. He's a bad guy! He knows exactly what goes on."

On the morning the NCAA announced sanctions against Alabama, Adams accurately posted the penalties on the Internet beforehand.

Tape reveals ill will toward Cottrell

 

[hog88]

SEC bylaw 19.8.1.2 states that if a school is considering hiring an individual “who has engaged in unethical conduct” or has participated in activity that resulted in Level I or Level II NCAA violations, the school president is “expected to consult directly with the Commissioner” before any hire can be finalized.

Report: The SEC stopped Alabama from hiring Hugh Freeze (Update)

Yes and nowhere does it say Sankey has the power to block a hire. Show us in the bylaws what the penalties can be for a school hiring a coach Sankey disapproves of.

 

[hog88]

by definition never but after consulting Bama moved on from Freeze. There is weight in the Commisioner's opinion.

Yeah there is weight in his opinion but there is nothing he can do if they tell him to kick rocks and make the hire.

 

[WillisWG]

Yeah there is weight in his opinion but there is nothing he can do if they tell him to kick rocks and make the hire.

Yes and nowhere does it say Sankey has the power to block a hire. Show us in the bylaws what the penalties can be for a school hiring a coach Sankey disapproves of.

Nothing he can do!

4.4.3 Penalties and Sanctions. Without limitation, the Commissioner shall have the following powers and authority with respect to penalties and sanctions: [Revised/Clarified/Conformed: 6/1/11]
(a) The Commissioner may impose a fine or other penalties or sanctions appropriate under the circumstances, in his or her discretion, against any member institution that violates any of the provisions of the Constitution, Bylaws, or other rules, regulations, or legislation of the Conference or the NCAA.
(b) The Commissioner may impose a fine or other penalties or sanctions appropriate under the circumstances, in his or her discretion, against any Athletic Director, coach, or other member of the athletics department of a member institution who violates any of the provisions of the Constitution, Bylaws, or other rules, regulations, or legislation of the Conference or the NCAA. The penalties that the Commissioner may impose include but are not limited to, singly or in combination:
(1) Suspension from contests or other athletically related activities;
(2) Limiting coaching duties, including those related to recruiting; and
(3) Public or private reprimands

 

[tnutater]

Saban will NOT hire him back.

One can hope.
With luck he will be named HC in waiting.

 

[hog88]

Nothing he can do!

4.4.3 Penalties and Sanctions. Without limitation, the Commissioner shall have the following powers and authority with respect to penalties and sanctions: [Revised/Clarified/Conformed: 6/1/11]
(a) The Commissioner may impose a fine or other penalties or sanctions appropriate under the circumstances, in his or her discretion, against any member institution that violates any of the provisions of the Constitution, Bylaws, or other rules, regulations, or legislation of the Conference or the NCAA.
(b) The Commissioner may impose a fine or other penalties or sanctions appropriate under the circumstances, in his or her discretion, against any Athletic Director, coach, or other member of the athletics department of a member institution who violates any of the provisions of the Constitution, Bylaws, or other rules, regulations, or legislation of the Conference or the NCAA. The penalties that the Commissioner may impose include but are not limited to, singly or in combination:
(1) Suspension from contests or other athletically related activities;
(2) Limiting coaching duties, including those related to recruiting; and
(3) Public or private reprimands

Nope, none of that applies to hiring a coach the commissioner doesn’t like because there is nothing in the bylaws granting the commissioner veto power over hires.

 

[WillisWG]

Nope, none of that applies to hiring a coach the commissioner doesn’t like because there is nothing in the bylaws granting the commissioner veto power over hires.

you're right nothing prevents Bama from hiring Pruitt and nothing that prevents the Commissioner from telling Bama that if they hire Pruitt that he WILL impose a fine or other penalties on Pruitt for his previous violations. Without limitation, the Commissioner shall have the following powers and authority with respect to penalties and sanctions. He could issue a suspension of 1 game or suspend him indefinitely, rendering Pruitt hire as useless.

(1) Suspension from contests or other athletically related activities;
(2) Limiting coaching duties, including those related to recruiting; and
(3) Public or private reprimands

again Pruitt is accused of 18 LEVEL 1 violations. . .EIGHTEEN

 

[hog88]

you're right nothing prevents Bama from hiring Pruitt and nothing that prevents the Commissioner from telling Bama that if they hire Pruitt that he WILL impose a fine or other penalties on Pruitt for his previous violations. Without limitation, the Commissioner shall have the following powers and authority with respect to penalties and sanctions. He could issue a suspension of 1 game or suspend him indefinitely, rendering Pruitt hire as useless.

(1) Suspension from contests or other athletically related activities;
(2) Limiting coaching duties, including those related to recruiting; and
(3) Public or private reprimands

again Pruitt is accused of 18 LEVEL 1 violations. . .EIGHTEEN

Yes the commissioner could suspend Pruitt, that is within his powers. He could tell Bama he will suspend him for x amount of conference games if they hire him but in no way can he bar any conference team from hiring who they want.

 

[WillisWG]

Yes the commissioner could suspend Pruitt, that is within his powers. He could tell Bama he will suspend him for x amount of conference games if they hire him but in no way can he bar any conference team from hiring who they want.

you're not telling me anything that I didn't already know.

 

[hog88]

you're not telling me anything that I didn't already know.

You said the commissioner could bar Bama from hiring him. He can’t.

The most he could do is suspend him for a few conference games if they do hire him.

 

[WillisWG]

You said the commissioner could bar Bama from hiring him. He can’t.

The most he could do is suspend him for a few conference games if they do hire him.

show me where I said the commissioner could bar the hire

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Yeah there is weight in his opinion but there is nothing he can do if they tell him to kick rocks and make the hire.

Auburn hired Pearl just before his "show cause" expired and he was prevented from recruiting by the SEC Commissioner until the "show cause" expired. I don't recall if Auburn paid a fine for hiring him or not, but the Commissioner did have control of what he could and couldn't do.

Since Pruitt hasn't even started a "show cause" yet, I'd bet Saban would look hard (and probably ask Sankey) what limitations Pruitt might have as a coach.

So no, they can't STOP the hire, just cripple the usefullness of the hire.

 

[onevol74]

Alabama is a he only school that could hire him and get away with it. Remember schools being told they could not touch Freeze. That will not happen at Alabama. Regardless who the cheater is.

 

[the_todd]

Are you guys seriously arguing over Pruitt? Seriously?

 

[hog88]

Auburn hired Pearl just before his "show cause" expired and he was prevented from recruiting by the SEC Commissioner until the "show cause" expired. I don't recall if Auburn paid a fine for hiring him or not, but the Commissioner did have control of what he could and couldn't do.

Since Pruitt hasn't even started a "show cause" yet, I'd bet Saban would look hard (and probably ask Sankey) what limitations Pruitt might have as a coach.

So no, they can't STOP the hire, just cripple the usefullness of the hire.

Oh jeez. No the SEC commissioner didn’t prevent Pearl from recruiting when he was hired, Pearls show cause from the NCAA prevented him from recruiting until it was over.

 

[hog88]

Alabama is a he only school that could hire him and get away with it. Remember schools being told they could not touch Freeze. That will not happen at Alabama. Regardless who the cheater is.

Nobody told schools they couldn’t hire Freeze.

 

[jasonvol18]

Alabama is a he only school that could hire him and get away with it. Remember schools being told they could not touch Freeze. That will not happen at Alabama. Regardless who the cheater is.

Just not true. Saban wanted Freeze and didn't get him. I promise you as bad as I hate Ala, they don't get special acceptions that other SEC teams don't get.

 

[adowns]

Well, Jeremy Pruitt did not get to be defensive coordinator at Alabama as most Alabama fans (including me) were hoping.

However, the streak of ex-Tennessee head coaches being hired by Alabama did continue, sort of.

Lane Kiffin became offensive coordinator at Alabama

Derek Dooley now an analyst at Alabama

Butch Jones became an analyst at Alabama

Kevin Steele (interim head coach at Tennessee for 10 days) is now defensive coordinator at Alabama

Jeremy Pruitt - The story circulating in Alabama is that Kevin Steele is a placeholder until Pruitt's NCAA situation is resolved and is in line to be defensive coordinator in 2024.

 

[ptcarter]

Well, Jeremy Pruitt did not get to be defensive coordinator at Alabama as most Alabama fans (including me) were hoping.

However, the streak of ex-Tennessee head coaches being hired by Alabama did continue, sort of.

Lane Kiffin became offensive coordinator at Alabama

Derek Dooley now an analyst at Alabama

Butch Jones became an analyst at Alabama

Kevin Steele (interim head coach at Tennessee for 10 days) is now defensive coordinator at Alabama

Jeremy Pruitt - The story circulating in Alabama is that Kevin Steele is a placeholder until Pruitt's NCAA situation is resolved and is in line to be defensive coordinator in 2024.

You forgot Bill Battle, but who's counting anyway?? It's like a zoo in Tuscaloosa where voyeuristic fans can throw peanuts into a cage containing ex Tennessee coaches. Things are about to get interesting when Saban retires at the end of next season though (Did I just start a rumor??)

 

[adowns]

P.T. Carter... Thank you for reminding me about Bill battle. I should have known. I was at the 1970 game when a Bill Battle Tennessee team beat Alabama 24-0. I still remember slinking out of Neyland Stadium. when the game was over.

You forgot Bill Battle, but who's counting anyway?? It's like a zoo in Tuscaloosa where voyeuristic fans can throw peanuts into a cage containing ex Tennessee coaches. Things are about to get interesting when Saban retires at the end of next season though (Did I just start a rumor??)