Ben Stein, CBS Sunday Morning commentary

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SavageOrangeJug said:
Please, show me the source of your info.
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The Old Testament for starters. If he is a practicing Jew, and believes in Mosaic Law, then it is nothing for God to intervene in order to punish infidels, homosexuals, nonbelievers, and other miscreants with calamities.

Of course, this isn't considered mainstream, but by virtue of faith this is the logical outcome. Maybe he doesn't really believe this, but given his requisite beliefs it is certainly not out of the realm of possiblity.

And I never expressed the idea that he said it.
 
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rjd970 said:
Ben Stein lost all respect from me when he bought into this vapid Intelligent Design witchcraft psudeoscience. And anybody that believe's the notion of Katrina happening because we kept God out of schools as a profound explanation of hurricane carnage is beyond hope. God's wrath that was supposedly manifested in Katrina decided it was best to spare looters, rapists, and criminals to run free in the aftermath while he drowned infants in their cribs and elderly people in their attics. Tell you what Ben, don't pray in my school, and I promise not to think in your church. Fair enough?
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Is something that needs to be given more time to debate before calling it witchcraft
 
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john gruden said that he is staying in the nfl right so then i would offer the job to bill cowher because i think he would be better than any one else on ut's list beside gruden for the job so i hope thats what tennessee will do in the weeks to come.:clapping:
 
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you hadnt seen nothing yet.read your bible from matthew - revelation and you will see whats going to happen to this world
 
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therealUT said:
I have yet to ever run by these mythical "Jews for Jesus". Yet, I have encountered countless agnostics and atheists in my travels. While atheists and agnostics might not stand on a street corner damning people to hell, there are certainly those that make their lack of beliefs known and do their best to shove their agendas down the throat of every American.
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I have never been accosted them, but I have seen a "Jews for Jesus" tour bus parked at a mall here. I know it is not your main point, but I had never heard of them when I saw the bus and it struck me funny.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Is something that needs to be given more time to debate before calling it witchcraft
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How much more debate does it need? The jury was in a long time ago (See the Dover court decision) and not once has it been presented in a scientific journal. The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) has rebuked it. It is without factual basis, only attacking the unknown's in Evolutionary Theory. This is all aside from the fact that when regressed backward to who designed the designer the only answer is religious. Legitimate science works by looking at all the evidence and observations and then grinds out an answer of what it thinks is going on. ID isn't science because it starts with the answer beforehand (there is a designer) and works backward to prove it.

Roughly 98% of all species that have ever lived on this planet are now extinct. This fact alone rules out the possibility of an intelligent designer and is evidence that natural selection has been hard at work for millenia.
 
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vader said:
I have never been accosted them, but I have seen a "Jews for Jesus" tour bus parked at a mall here. I know it is not your main point, but I had never heard of them when I saw the bus and it struck me funny.
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my ex-wife's aunt is a Messianic Jew. Interesting bunch of people.
 
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rjd970 said:
The Old Testament for starters. If he is a practicing Jew, and believes in Mosaic Law, then it is nothing for God to intervene in order to punish infidels, homosexuals, nonbelievers, and other miscreants with calamities.

Of course, this isn't considered mainstream, but by virtue of faith this is the logical outcome. Maybe he doesn't really believe this, but given his requisite beliefs it is certainly not out of the realm of possiblity.

And I never expressed the idea that he said it.
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You point blank stated, he thought it was a profound statement. I'm sorry. I didn't realize your assupmtions were to be taken as fact.
 
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vader said:
I have never been accosted them, but I have seen a "Jews for Jesus" tour bus parked at a mall here. I know it is not your main point, but I had never heard of them when I saw the bus and it struck me funny.
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I would have had to take a picture of it.
 
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rjd970 said:
Roughly 98% of all species that have ever lived on this planet are now extinct. This fact alone rules out the possibility of an intelligent designer and is evidence that natural selection has been hard at work for millenia.
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This is complete and utter garbage. You can't rule out an intelligent designer nor can the science community and it needles all of you to no end.

Again, we all get back to a leap of faith about something. You choose to make yours with scientists, I choose to make mine with a greater power.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This is complete and utter garbage. You can't rule out an intelligent designer nor can the science community and it needles all of you to no end.

Again, we all get back to a leap of faith about something. You choose to make yours with scientists, I choose to make mine with a greater power.
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I wonder if the ants in my back yard think I'm god?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This is complete and utter garbage. You can't rule out an intelligent designer nor can the science community and it needles all of you to no end.

Again, we all get back to a leap of faith about something. You choose to make yours with scientists, I choose to make mine with a greater power.
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Does a 98% failure rate suggest an intelligent designer to you?
 
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rjd970 said:
Does a 98% failure rate suggest an intelligent designer to you?
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No it suggests a devine creator who created a world where there are choices and consequences for every action. To think that a thing as complex as the human body evolved from a " BIG BANG " has to be the most insane belief I have ever heard of. In my eyes it take:his more faith to believe in the big bang theory than it does to believe there is a divine creator behind it all. JMHO :hi:
 
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Big Orange Rock said:
No it suggests a devine creator who created a world where there are choices and consequences for every action. To think that a thing as complex as the human body evolved from a " BIG BANG " has to be the most insane belief I have ever heard of. In my eyes it take:his more faith to believe in the big bang theory than it does to believe there is a divine creator behind it all. JMHO :hi:
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So I would assume you would consider an animal that went extinct because of an adaptive disadvantage did so because it chose to be that way. Or people born with genetic deformities did so because of a choice they made.

The designer decided it was best to design our spines for walking of 4 limbs, game human males nipples for no reason, decided to design an appendix into our body for the fun of it, and just to confuse us decided to make us so our DNA is 90% identical to chimpanzees.
 
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Big Orange Rock said:
No it suggests a devine creator who created a world where there are choices and consequences for every action. To think that a thing as complex as the human body evolved from a " BIG BANG " has to be the most insane belief I have ever heard of. In my eyes it take:his more faith to believe in the big bang theory than it does to believe there is a divine creator behind it all. JMHO :hi:
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Atheists have faith and beliefs. They have faith only in other men.

The belief that there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing. Then for no reason, nothing magically exploded creating everything. Then for no reason whatsoever, everything miraculously rearranged itself in to self replicating bits. The self replicating bits then turned into dinosaurs.

Now, how much faith does it take in a scientist, to buy into that belief?

....and they claim the Bible is the greatest story ever told. :ermm:
 
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my belief is anyone who thinks they know if there isn't a god is just as arrogant as those that say there must be a god. there is little evidence either way.
 
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how does intelligent design explain 'Bama fans and lawyers from the U of Florida?
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Atheists have faith and beliefs. They have faith only in other men.

The belief that there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing. Then for no reason, nothing magically exploded creating everything. Then for no reason whatsoever, everything miraculously rearranged itself in to self replicating bits. The self replicating bits then turned into dinosaurs.
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That's not what I believe, yet I don't believe in God. No one knows why the universe came into being. In fact, it is not entirely clear that we can coherently speak about the “beginning” or “creation” of the universe at all, as these ideas invoke the concept of time, and here we are talking about the origin of space-time itself.

Although we don’t know precisely how the Earth’s early chemistry started life, we know that the diversity and complexity we see in the living world is not a product of mere chance. Evolution is a combination of chance mutation and natural selection. Darwin arrived at the phrase “natural selection” by analogy to the “artificial selection” performed by breeders of livestock. In both cases, selection exerts a highly non-random effect on the development of any species.

As far as life has no meaning to me, that is ridiculous. In fact, I would argue it is the other way around. Religious people are often the ones that worry that life is a stepping stone that it can only be redeemed by the promise of eternal happiness beyond the grave. I am quite sure that life is precious. Life is imbued with meaning by being really and fully lived. Our relationships with those we love are meaningful now; they need not last forever to be made so. I tend to find this fear of meaninglessness … well … meaningless.

I am free to admit the limits of human understanding in a way that MOST religious people are not. It is obvious that we do not fully understand the universe; but it is even more obvious that neither the Bible nor the Koran reflects our best understanding of it.
 
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rjd970 said:
That's not what I believe, yet I don't believe in God. No one knows why the universe came into being. In fact, it is not entirely clear that we can coherently speak about the “beginning” or “creation” of the universe at all, as these ideas invoke the concept of time, and here we are talking about the origin of space-time itself.

Although we don’t know precisely how the Earth’s early chemistry started life, we know that the diversity and complexity we see in the living world is not a product of mere chance. Evolution is a combination of chance mutation and natural selection. Darwin arrived at the phrase “natural selection” by analogy to the “artificial selection” performed by breeders of livestock. In both cases, selection exerts a highly non-random effect on the development of any species.

As far as life has no meaning to me, that is ridiculous. I am free to admit the limits of human understanding in a way that religious people are not. It is obvious that we do not fully understand the universe; but it is even more obvious that neither the Bible nor the Koran reflects our best understanding of it.
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i respectfully submit that you sir are ignorant on this statement....Christians all know the limits of human understanding, which is why we have Faith in God....not the uncontrollable desire to "prove" everything or have said explanations
 
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