Best coaching job by Holly....EVER.

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utfantilidie said:
To be a 13 lost team, a coach on the hot seat,not ranked, to limp it in to the tourney, wind up top 8 team in the country, simply amazing. Good job Holly. You were paying attention to Pat. Thank you!
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No, she is not unless Pat is telling her not to recruit, or not to make in game changes. Pat's goal was not to be happy just making the elite 8. Pat could make in game changes when the need was there. I hope Pat is not telling Holly to not fill available scholarships. I hope Pat is not telling her to make crazy substitutions. Remember, Pat,prior to her health issues, was considering changing the LVs offense, I guess everyone knew that but Holly.

Stay off the drugs they create illusions that are false interpretations.
 
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Vols4life said:
Crazy how some fans will accept mediocre from the Lady Vol program now....as long as fans will accept that we will never be great again nor catch up to the bar that UConn has set which is where we used to be....Geno built his program to catch up to Tennessee he then passed it....we are waaaaayyy behind the 8 ball trying to catch the bar that the UConn has set now
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This guy gets it.

I'm sure some are hoping CHW can grow and improve and we get back to the top. Who knows, stranger things have happened. That would be absolute gravy.

But, more realistically. When you (utad) make an emotional hire instead of a calculated hire, then you might as well go ahead and accept the fruit of that decision. Once Pat's shadow is truly in the distance, then watch recruiting become difficult. Soon 15-16yr old girls will only have a faint notion of who Pat Summit was. 2006 will sound like that Civil War to them. That faint notion of greatness will pale in comparison to contemporary winning coaches and programs. When 2-3 average classes grace our program, it will be time to put a fork in CHW. That will force the ADs/boosters hands.

My hope that some powers that be are laying a proper foundation for the next hire, right now. One that is an uncompromised leader who is able, and willing to return us back to the top. If that requires a year or three more to put in place while the wheels come off, then it is a small price to pay IMO. We've all enjoyed a ridiculous 30-40 yr run. So a 4-5 year pull back won't kill us.

Our AD leadership should be in the ears of about 5-10 absolute top level possibilities for 2-3yrs down the road. Those candidates need to be vetted like crazy over that time. If they can't recruit and negotiate for the best, then we need different leadership more than a coach.

None of this "oh crap, we missed the tourney (etc) so let's go find someone". It needs to be a deliberate, long term, and coldly calculated plan to restore us to absolute #1. CPS established that standard out of sheer will power (& 1,000 other qualities), and anything less is shooting too low.

So, while we've made this bed, we'll have to lie in it. Let's just hope our leadership is laser focused on the next steps to bring us back. Enduring another 2-3 years is well worth it, IF we can see that come to pass.
 
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We could play with--and beat--anyone in the country but UConn when we were at our best. We beat Syracuse early in the year; we beat oregon state at their place, and they are in the final four. We beat a good Arizona State team at their place, and beat Ohio State. Problem was, we were seldom at our best--and who is responsible for that? The coaches. So this idea that we should be happy to be a top 8 team is NONSENSE. We underachieved--and when you underachieve it is on the coaching.
 
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volpreacher said:
I'll say it guys! Fire Holly now!
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Wasn't gonna happen with a 1 and done in the NCAAs. With 3 wins, fajitaboutit! I know you know this though.

But, the last thing we need is a knee-jerk fire-search-hire. CHW is in place, so the plan should be deliberate and calculated. Not to get a new coach ASAP. But rather to get the absolute RIGHT one that will help restore us to #1.
 
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7Iron said:
The Lady Vols should have been a four or five loss team at the most. A lot of coaches could have gotten that talent to at least the Final Four. Now that everyone sees what a great coach she is maybe she can pull in at least 1 top 100 recruit. Then we will know she has arrived.
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it's amazing how you know that! But deep down do you really ?
 
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Vols4life said:
Crazy how some fans will accept mediocre from the Lady Vol program now....as long as fans will accept that we will never be great again nor catch up to the bar that UConn has set which is where we used to be....Geno built his program to catch up to Tennessee he then passed it....we are waaaaayyy behind the 8 ball trying to catch the bar that the UConn has set now
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you do realize we was behind when Pat left, right ?
 
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I guess we need people to think she did a good job so Dave Hart want look so bad for keeping her on. Get ready for a lot of seasons like this one and probably not a good draw in the tourney when we go out in the first game.
 
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VolUpInCumming said:
We was???:crazy:
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We were down but there was at least a good reason for that. Pat's health had already begun to decline before that last year, anyone could tell that if they really noticed. Holly basically coached the last year Pat was there and it was really evident then she wasn't a head coach. We need to support these ladies and get them a head coach that can lead them to being great. And Holly isn't the one.
 
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volpreacher said:
We were down but there was at least a good reason for that. Pat's health had already begun to decline before that last year, anyone could tell that if they really noticed. Holly basically coached the last year Pat was there and it was really evident then she wasn't a head coach. We need to support these ladies and get them a head coach that can lead them to being great. And Holly isn't the one.
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Hey Preach.......he was making fun of the grammar......not disagreeing with the post
 
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daddyskunk said:
go ahead and ask your question:moon2:
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I guess my question would be this.... when are we going to get a coaching staff that teaches kids the game.... fundamentals, teamwork, offense, effort (yes) etc.... how many times have I heard in the pressers.... "I don't know what is wrong. If I knew i would fix it".... well I think I know what is wrong.... you are not teaching basketball to the LVs.... I do not know what happens during practice time.... but over the last several years I have not witnessed any Lady Vol I can think of get significantly better over her time on the team.....

Jeepers, we have 7 HS All Americans on the team now, that is more than any other Division One program in the entire country.... one would think they would bring their talents to Tennessee and have their games fine tuned and melded into a perfect recipe in concert with their teammates.... the result being a glorious symphony on the floor.....

Instead there are turnovers ... a lot of them.... over 20 of them vs Syracuse at a time of year that this is not affordable.... there are big voids in fundamentals.... something one would not expect given the talent level players had coming into the program.... there is an absence of effort, which I do not understand.... perhaps (maybe probably there are not demands and expectations placed on them)

Where are the coaches in all this? Where were they when we should have held for last shot of 1st quarter? 20 seconds left in quarter and we get the ball.... and for some reason we want to shoot with 10 seconds on clock.... of course we miss and they score with 3 seconds left..... where were the coaches holding 1 finger up for "1 shot".... where are the coaches honing the skills of the players so that the offense will be more integrated and players will be more inclined to shoot..... remember these are HS All Americans, and we hear that they are hesitant to shoot the ball, that is why DD shoots and Mighan shot so much when she was here.... because everyone else was reluctant.....

Shooting can be taught to a large extent.... the mechanics of shooting and the situation in which to shoot.... Madison Cable of ND and Jefferson of UConn, never used to see them shoot.... now I see them be quite productive..... wish we had the same dynamic going.....

I would ask the coaches to work on chemistry..... through practice..... Picasso painted with lots and lots of "practice" behind him.... Springsteen takes the stage having worked on the set list, and having practiced it to perfection with his band.... the LVs have been a work in progress all year.... a baby trying to walk, a kid learning to ride the bicycle afraid to take off the training wheels.... again, this is a HS All American team to the degree no other team in college basketball can claim.....

Maybe the problem is mystical.... like 20 years ago when Steve Sax had problems throwing the baseball from 2nd base to 1st base.... but no, I think our issues are well within our grasp to handle..... basketball is not a complex game.... but it most certainly must be taught..... I get tired of seeing the rah rah "our ladies are spectacular, what an effort they gave"... and the kudos given to Holly..... It is so apparent that the new bar with Tennessee women's basketball is to make the Elite 8. That is a real accomplishment. For me, I think it sucks! With the talent we have..... man oh man!!! Last year struggling to beat Gonzaga in OT.... who is Gonzaga in women's hoops, and don't they wish they were practicing every day with OUR roster? Losing to Maryland, a decent team but not better than us.... 48 points we scored... and that is the year.... and look at the roll we got on this year that caused people to hop on the bandwagon.... Green Bay, AZ State (maybe the worst 2 seed ever) andOhio State.... talk about the road being paved for us.

But we are Tennessee, and we shoot ourselves in the foot. UConn will have the road paved for them instead.... But WHY do we trip on ourselves? To Holly and perhaps many fans, they have no idea. I think I know, but will it be solved any time soon. No it will not be.
 
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utfantilidie said:
To be a 13 lost team, a coach on the hot seat,not ranked, to limp it in to the tourney, wind up top 8 team in the country, simply amazing. Good job Holly. You were paying attention to Pat. Thank you!
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There is ONE thing right in this post...they were a "lost" team.
 
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utfantilidie said:
To be a 13 lost team, a coach on the hot seat,not ranked, to limp it in to the tourney, wind up top 8 team in the country, simply amazing. Good job Holly. You were paying attention to Pat. Thank you!
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+++++++++++++++++

Tap those slippers together Dorothy.
 
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utfantilidie said:
To be a 13 lost team, a coach on the hot seat,not ranked, to limp it in to the tourney, wind up top 8 team in the country, simply amazing. Good job Holly. You were paying attention to Pat. Thank you!
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Her team got soundly beaten by a team they beat earlier in the year. What that says to me is that Syracuse improved through the year and the Lady Vols did not. She lost to the "goofiest" coach in womens basketball. People on this forum talk about how badly Holly performs at press conferences but the Syracuse coach makes her look like a Rhodes Scholar. We as fans have started to accept average performance and with our recruiting and talent development woes it is only going to get worse. If we recruit good shooters they are browbeaten about their lack of defensive skill until they lose confidence in their shot. I think this is the case with DD>
 
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56vol said:
Her team got soundly beaten by a team they beat earlier in the year. What that says to me is that Syracuse improved through the year and the Lady Vols did not. She lost to the "goofiest" coach in womens basketball. People on this forum talk about how badly Holly performs at press conferences but the Syracuse coach makes her look like a Rhodes Scholar. We as fans have started to accept average performance and with our recruiting and talent development woes it is only going to get worse. If we recruit good shooters they are browbeaten about their lack of defensive skill until they lose confidence in their shot. I think this is the case with DD>
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I agree with all you said...everyone wants the bar to drop instead of raising their own bar.

Sad.

This is the UT lady Vols, people...!!!...

Rich in tradition.
Rich in history. . . But,
Poor in performance this year, by both athlete and coach.
Neither was up to UT standard.

Hopefully enough of us made the administration understand that we KNOW we should have had a better season performance and ended on a better note.
 
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56vol said:
Her team got soundly beaten by a team they beat earlier in the year. What that says to me is that Syracuse improved through the year and the Lady Vols did not. She lost to the "goofiest" coach in womens basketball. People on this forum talk about how badly Holly performs at press conferences but the Syracuse coach makes her look like a Rhodes Scholar. We as fans have started to accept average performance and with our recruiting and talent development woes it is only going to get worse. If we recruit good shooters they are browbeaten about their lack of defensive skill until they lose confidence in their shot. I think this is the case with DD>
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Not being good in a press conference does not necessarily mean that one does not have coaching skills or a good basketball mind. Syracuse clearly has a good staff (and if the HC has deficiencies, he had the managerial acumen to hire assistants that could compensate for them). Syracuse is a well-coached team that has strategically violated standard coaching wisdom by thinking more about possessions and total number of shots, rather than shooting %; compare to Holly's early season denouncements of quick shooting the basketball.

DD was never a good 3 pt shooter so not sure where you are going with that logic. Her game has always been about making mid range jumpers; slash and drives; with a few outside shots mixed in.

Last but not least, let's think about your logic. Holly has accepted lower standards while holding players to high standards on the defensive end; in contrast, you seem to suggest that good shooters who don't want to excel on defense should be given a pass. Do you not see the slightest contradiction in that reasoning?
 
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Coach Jumper said:
I agree with all you said...everyone wants the bar to drop instead of raising their own bar.

Sad.

This is the UT lady Vols, people...!!!...

Rich in tradition.
Rich in history. . . But,
Poor in performance this year, by both athlete and coach.
Neither was up to UT standard.

Hopefully enough of us made the administration understand that we KNOW we should have had a better season performance and ended on a better note.
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and this is the very sad consistent underlying current..... that the bar has been lowered..... no final fours since 2008..... coincidentally UConn has been to every single one since that same year....

now we do not have to hold ourselves to a UConn standard, but geez, it drives me crazy that people are ecstatic (yes, ECSTATIC) that we made the Elite 8 It is pitiful, IMHO
 
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