Best NFL player produced by these teams are.........

#51
#51
Neither Lynn Swann nor Joe Namath are really Hall of Fame caliber. Swann got in because of who he played for, which overlooks the fact that he averaged 40 catches for 600 yards and 5 TDs per year over his entire career (which was unusually short to begin with).

Namath got in because of the NY media and his public persona. On the field, he was nothing more than a John Hadl or Roman Gabriel or Daryle Lamonica in green and white. He threw more INTs than TDs every year of his career except two, and this was in the days before zone defenses. That meant everyone played man-to-man, and there are virtually no DBs from Namath's career who are close to the Hall of Fame. On his career, I think he was -40 between INTs and TDs.

As far as bringing female fans to watch the NFL or being a media draw or making a guarantee that was backed up by one of two playoff wins in his entire career, I'll give him that. But as far as being the exceptional QB that he is often portrayed, he doesn't come close in any way, shape, or form.
 
#52
#52
My age.... I haven't heard of half of these players, let alone know where they went to school.
 
#53
#53
Ron Mix. That's 10. If I really wanted to, I'm pretty sure I could come up with 5-10 more.
 
#54
#54
Keyshawn Johnson? You must be joking. He is a better than average possession receiver that had a couple of good years. He was a legend in his own mind, however.

The other list is pretty good, although I would not put McGinnest in that category.

Mike Williams? Carson Palmer? No no no.
 
#55
#55
I'll throw some more schools out there though...

Syracuse -- Jim Brown
Northwestern -- Otto Graham
TCU -- how about a toss-up between Ladainian Tomlinson (by the time he retires) and Slingin' Sammy Baugh?
Alabama -- Don Hutson
Kent State -- Jack Lambert
Scottsbluff JC -- Night Train Lane
Louisiana Tech -- Terry Bradshaw
North Texas -- Mean Joe Greene
Louisville -- Johnny Unitas
Minnesota -- Bronko Nagurski
Nevada -- Marion Motley
Jackson State -- Walter Payton
Alcorn State -- Steve McNair
Kansas -- Gale Sayers
SMU -- Ray Berry
Morgan State -- Roosevelt Brown and Willie Lanier
South Carolina State -- Deacon Jones
Utah State -- Merlin Olsen
Prairie View A&M -- Kenny Houston
San Francisco (which has no football team now) -- Gino Marchetti

I do believe that to be a nice list...

Ohio State can claim a bunch of offensive linemen, but Jim Parker and Orlando Pace stand out. Paul Warfield was also from there, although I think he only caught 5-10 passes a year there.
 
#56
#56
Liper said:
Keyshawn Johnson? You must be joking. He is a better than average possession receiver that had a couple of good years. He was a legend in his own mind, however.

The other list is pretty good, although I would not put McGinnest in that category.

Mike Williams? Carson Palmer? No no no.
Click to expand...
Compare Keyshawn's numbers to Swann's. They dwarf them. McGinnest was a key component on a team that won Super Bowls. Swann was just another guy on those Pittsburgh teams. There were any number of receivers who would have done what he did in Pittsburgh. He couldn't carry Charlie Joiner's bags. Swann was lucky to be on a great team. If he played in Cleveland, nobody would have ever heard of him. Probably the least deserving member of the shrine in Canton.
 
#57
#57
hatvol96 said:
Compare Keyshawn's numbers to Swann's. They dwarf them. McGinnest was a key component on a team that won Super Bowls. Swann was just another guy on those Pittsburgh teams. There were any number of receivers who would have done what he did in Pittsburgh. He couldn't carry Charlie Joiner's bags. Swann was lucky to be on a great team. If he played in Cleveland, nobody would have ever heard of him. Probably the least deserving member of the shrine in Canton.
Click to expand...

Keyshawn is a decent WR. I wasn't really thinking about Swann versus him. However, if I had to start a team, I'd rather have Swann. If you've got a 3rd and 2, Keyshawn is fine.

McGinnest being a "key component on a team..." means nothing to me. That's sort of the same logic that says the Heistman goes to the MVP on the best team, AKA Toretta. Incidentally, it's the same logic you used to move Swann off the list -- that he was lucky to be on a good team. I don't care what team they were on or how good the team was under any type of scenario. It's also why I think Tee Martin gets WAY WAY WAY too much credit for our 98 NC.

Frankly, I don't really care about this. It just seemed odd to offer those players up, esp. Mike Williams.

I would agree that Charlie Joiner is a better player.

I think Munoz and OJ Simpson are the two best on that list...maybe add Ronnie Lott to it.
 
#58
#58
Liper said:
Keyshawn is a decent WR. I wasn't really thinking about Swann versus him. However, if I had to start a team, I'd rather have Swann. If you've got a 3rd and 2, Keyshawn is fine.

McGinnest being a "key component on a team..." means nothing to me. That's sort of the same logic that says the Heistman goes to the MVP on the best team, AKA Toretta. Incidentally, it's the same logic you used to move Swann off the list -- that he was lucky to be on a good team. I don't care what team they were on or how good the team was under any type of scenario. It's also why I think Tee Martin gets WAY WAY WAY too much credit for our 98 NC.

Frankly, I don't really care about this. It just seemed odd to offer those players up, esp. Mike Williams.

I would agree that Charlie Joiner is a better player.

I think Munoz and OJ Simpson are the two best on that list...maybe add Ronnie Lott to it.
Click to expand...
How many Pro Bowls has McGinnest played in? How many did Swann play in?
 
#60
#60
hatvol96 said:
How many Pro Bowls has McGinnest played in? How many did Swann play in?
Click to expand...

Fair point.

I'm not saying McGinnest wasn't/isn;t a good player. I'm saying that I wouldn't put him on some sort of all time NFL team. I suppose the original context was Swann vs USC players and I missed that specific item.

I don't think he;s the best DL on his own team.

Still, I differ with your general line of reasoning on the McGinnest key component thing.
 
#61
#61
Liper said:
Fair point.

I'm not saying McGinnest wasn't/isn;t a good player. I'm saying that I wouldn't put him on some sort of all time NFL team. I suppose the original context was Swann vs USC players and I missed that specific item.

I don't think he;s the best DL on his own team.

Still, I differ with your general line of reasoning on the McGinnest key component thing.
Click to expand...

I think McGinnest plays OLB. Granted, it's in a 3-4, but still, I think he's a linebacker.
 
#62
#62
Liper said:
Fair point.

I'm not saying McGinnest wasn't/isn;t a good player. I'm saying that I wouldn't put him on some sort of all time NFL team. I suppose the original context was Swann vs USC players and I missed that specific item.

I don't think he;s the best DL on his own team.

Still, I differ with your general line of reasoning on the McGinnest key component thing.
Click to expand...
My point there was that McGinnest was a good enough player to be considered a key reason for the Patriots having success. Swann was never an integral part of the success Pittsburgh had. At no point in his career was he one of the 10 best receivers in the league. McGinnest would be a Hall of Famer without his rings. Without the Super Bowls, Lynn Swann is Peerless Price.
 
#63
#63
hatvol96 said:
My point there was that McGinnest was a good enough player to be considered a key reason for the Patriots having success. Swann was never an integral part of the success Pittsburgh had. At no point in his career was he one of the 10 best receivers in the league. McGinnest would be a Hall of Famer without his rings. Without the Super Bowls, Lynn Swann is Peerless Price.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I could go along with that.


However, I would also say that at no time was Keyshawn one of the 10 best either. Come to think of it, I'm not sure he was ever the best WR on his own team either...Jets would be close.
 
#64
#64
Liper said:
Yeah, I could go along with that.


However, I would also say that at no time was Keyshawn one of the 10 best either. Come to think of it, I'm not sure he was ever the best WR on his own team either...Jets would be close.
Click to expand...
Look at Keyshawn's numbers his first four years. He was certainly one of the 10 best receivers in the league.
 
#65
#65
finevol said:
Vols-Manning,
Fla-emmit Smith
Georgia-champ
Fla St-deon
Ohio St-inmates
Mich-broadcasters
Nd-joe M

What Do You Think
Click to expand...

Vols- Manning, Reggie White
Fla-Emmit Smith maybe Jack Youngblood
Georgia-Hershel hands down
Fla St-Deon hands down
Ohio St-Orlando Pace, Eddie George
Mich-Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson
Nd-joe Montana, Tim Brown
 
#66
#66
wncvolfan said:
If we go outside the SEC:
Illinois Dick Butkus
Penn St Franco Harris
Duke Sonny Jurgenson, Mike Curtis
UNC Lawrence Taylor
Kansas Gale Sayers
Texas Earl Campbell
Sou Cal Lynn Swann
Maryland Randy White
Nebraska Roger Craig

SEC Additions:
S. Car. George Rogers, Charlie Waters
LSU Jim Taylor
Click to expand...
Tough call between Sayers and John Riggins...
 
#69
#69
hatvol96 said:
Not really. The pre-knee injury Sayers was as good as any back not named Jim Brown.
Click to expand...
Had Sayers career been longer, I think it would be an easy call. However, Riggins was a beast for 14 years. Had Sayers been able to hang around for at least 10, we would have been extremely blessed.
 
#70
#70
I also enjoy putting John Riggins up there for his off the field antics while at KU. There was an anti-war demonstration taking place on the field in Memorial Stadium one afternoon. Riggins and a few other Jayhawks walked down to the field and began way laying hippies. This handful of KU players effectively put an end to any rallies held in Memorial Stadium.
 
#71
#71
therealUT said:
I also enjoy putting John Riggins up there for his off the field antics while at KU. There was an anti-war demonstration taking place on the field in Memorial Stadium one afternoon. Riggins and a few other Jayhawks walked down to the field and began way laying hippies. This handful of KU players effectively put an end to any rallies held in Memorial Stadium.
Click to expand...
John Riggins-Hall of Famer and enemy of the First Amendment.
 
#74
#74
hatvol96 said:
I'd be more impressed if he attempted to stop one of Muhammad Ali's anti-war protests.
Click to expand...
I always remember some words of wisdom my father shared with me: "Never try to out box a wrestler..." I assume the logic could be used in this situation. Ali could easily take Riggins in a ring, under boxing regulations. However, could Ali prevent Riggins from bear rushing him and putting him on his back? It would definitely be interesting to watch.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top