Better Head Coach

Who's the better head coach?

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mikey

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Here's why I ask. Sarge is such a stat man...he bases his opinion that David was better than Randy on stats...if the bottom line to being a good OC is scoring and moving the ball, then the bottom line to being a good HC is winning...Sarge must believe that Phillip is a better HC than Coach Majors was...look at the stats! WHAT'S YOUR VOTE SARGE?
 
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There are high school coaches much better than Majors was. I can never forget the hundreds of times the other defense stacked against the run with 8, 9 and yes, even 10 ..... daring him to throw and he continued to try to run time after time. And talk about coaching conservatively, if he had a one point lead the offense shut down... just three dives over tackle and punt. This would usually continue until we finally lost the game.
 
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Originally posted by Tnwoodsman@Oct 6, 2005 12:35 PM
There are high school coaches much better than Majors was. I can never forget the hundreds of times the other defense stacked against the run with 8, 9 and yes, even 10 ..... daring him to throw and he continued to try to run time after time. And talk about coaching conservatively, if he had a one point lead the offense shut down... just three dives over tackle and punt. This would usually continue until we finally lost the game.
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Not always true.

Majors coached the 86 sugar bowl win at miami against testaverdi.
The offense set that whole year was 4 wide outs and a single RB.
It was a short passing game, but it was there. He also coached Jeff Francis who put up some pretty good numbers as a QB.
He also was a lot better special teams coach. The debacle this year in the special teams would have happened under Majors.
 
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Don't get me wrong now...Coach Majors was a very good football guy...offense, defense, playcalling, etc. is not why I believe Phillip is better. I believe it has a lot more to do with Phillip's people skills and Coach Major's lack thereof. I really just want to see Sarge's explanation for this one because statistically Phillip is way ahead and I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that he is a big Coach Majors guy.
 
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...and by the way...never be under the assumption that because a guy is a college coach he is a better coach or a more imaginative coach than a high school coach...knowledge or a lack thereof is not what determines whether a guy coaches in college or high school or even the pros...it's generally just a preference thing...some of the best coaches I know are high school coaches. They just don't want to fool with recruiting. It basically boils down to...do you prefer teaching or recruiting because neither is a whole lot of fun.
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 6, 2005 12:40 PM
Not always true.

Majors coached the 86 sugar bowl win at miami against testaverdi.
The offense set that whole year was 4 wide outs and a single RB.
It was a short passing game, but it was there.  He also coached Jeff Francis who put up some pretty good numbers as a QB.
He also was a lot better special teams coach.  The debacle this year in the special teams would have happened under Majors.
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Your point is well taken but I can never forget the general conservatism of Majors. And in the 85 Sugar Bowl he knew he had to take chances to win. Miami was Goliath and Tn was not supposed to even compete in that game. He did believe the kicking game was as important as any other phase... maybe more so.


I did not mean to imply that a high school coach could not be better than a college or pro coach. I was just trying to make the point that (in my opinion) anything or anyone would have been better than Majors. I hated his methods. And when Alabama week came up he went into a nervous frenzy or something.... many times we had the better team and Alabama stomped us.
 
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You could argue that Majors in his prime at Pitt would compete with Fulmer. He made Pitt a powerhouse in which stayed that way for a few years after he left. At UT it took a few years to rebuild with a losing record in the late 70's but he laid theground work for fulmer. Majors won the SEC in 89 and 90 and had the team in the fiesta bowl the 91 season. He did not leave the program in the same way as he got there. Fulmer has never had to rebuild a program as Majors has for that i give Majors credit. Fulmer has maintained the talent level and winning for i give him credit for that.
 
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Agreed...Coach Majors problem was he was an ass to play for and work for. He had no continuity on his staff because of it...he couldn't recruit as well as Phillip because of it. That's why the program has gone up since Phillip took over (and I dare Sarge to show me some stats that contradict that statement.) Philosophically, he and Phillip are a lot alike. It's good ole General Neyland philosophy....play field position and win with defense and the kicking game. Phillip just isn't a big ----head.
 
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Fulmer all the way!!! Thank goodness we got rid of Majors when we did. I hate the way it happened, but it needed to be done.


I heard Majors on the radio a week or two ago. I have always thought highly of him, but he really rubbed me the wrong way. He kept putting down UT and Phil Fulmer and wouldn't get off it. I can understand him having bad feelings towards UT and Fulmer, but the way he kept taking jabs at Fulmer and the university through the whole interview put a bad taste in my mouth.
 
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Originally posted by mikey@Oct 6, 2005 11:48 AM
...do you prefer teaching or recruiting because neither is a whole lot of fun.
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I happen to think teaching is a lot of fun. It's no wonder REAL teachers get a bum rap with jocks taking teaching positions because they don't want to recruit. Anybody who goes into a classroom with less than 100%desire to be there and to do a good job is STEALING every time they cash their paycheck. If you don't want to teach, then stay out of the classroom and let a REAL teacher do it.
 
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Johnny was good for UT football but it was time to move on, Fulmer is great for UT football and it is time to stay for a good long while.
 
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Majors took over a program that is comparable to South Carolina today. Mediocre barely .500 team at best and turned it into a 3 time sec champ along with a Sugar Bowl and Cotton Bowl champion ship. Dont forget the incredible recrutiing class of 1988 of Pickens and Webb and others that in my opinion laid the groundwork for Fulmer's tenure.
He took a mediorce team at Pitt and won a national title. I think he should be more revered than criticised b/c you guys dont like his personality. He is the reason we are here today. Majors recruited the team Fulmer took over. They were in the Fiesta bowl the season before fulmer finally took over the job.

Unless Fulmer can take over a mediocre team and turn it into a champion it is unfair to compare.

Lets give Majors more credit. He is a Volunteeer all his life.
 
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Originally posted by brg72@Oct 6, 2005 1:17 PM
Majors took over a program that is comparable to South Carolina today. Mediocre barely .500 team at best and turned it into a 3 time sec champ along with a Sugar Bowl and Cotton Bowl champion ship. Dont forget the incredible recrutiing class of 1988 of Pickens and Webb and others that in my opinion laid the groundwork for Fulmer's tenure.
He took a mediorce team at Pitt  and won a national title. I think he should be more revered than criticised b/c you guys dont like his personality.  He is the reason we are here today.  Majors recruited the team Fulmer took over.  They were in the Fiesta bowl the season before fulmer finally took over the job.

Unless Fulmer can take over a mediocre team and turn it into a champion it is unfair to compare. 

Lets give Majors more credit. He is a Volunteeer all his life.
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If he is then he should act and speek like it!
 
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He's a cranky old man now LOL. Im just stating the facts nothing has to do with his personality. You guys are more focused on his attitude today and his bitterness rather than what he has accomplished.
Has as many national titles and more SEC titles as fulmer.
 
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Originally posted by brg72@Oct 6, 2005 1:56 PM
He's a cranky old man now LOL. Im just stating the facts nothing has to do with his personality. You guys are more focused on his attitude today and his bitterness rather than what he has accomplished.
Has as many national titles and more SEC titles as fulmer.
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My thinking Fulmer is better has nothing to do with Majors being cranky. I just threw that Majors being bitter in as a side note.

I honestly think it is much harder to win the sec now than it was back then. More teams, two divisions, SEC championship game, better teams, etc...
 
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More teams: South Carolina and Arkansas not exactly tier 1 SEC teams. I do not dispute Majors going was a mistake. Majors in his prime at Pitt would do just fine at UT today. Pitt was a losing program and for a 10 year period were part the nations elite. He could have done the same in his prime.
 
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Originally posted by brg72@Oct 6, 2005 1:56 PM
He's a cranky old man now LOL. Im just stating the facts nothing has to do with his personality. You guys are more focused on his attitude today and his bitterness rather than what he has accomplished.
Has as many national titles and more SEC titles as fulmer.
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Did you not write that he is always a VOL? Thus my remark to act and speak like one.
 
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Give me a break. If that is the only opinion you have of him then you are very shallow. He has every right to be pissed if i gave my heart and soul for the team and program and all of a sudden be told he is canned. He didnt bring probation or leave the team in bad shape. Phil Jackson i mena Fulmer was handed a silver platter. There is a thing called dignity. You act as if his "bad manners" takes away all his accomplishments.
 
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Thank you Johnny that is all i have to say and every Vol fan should say the same. Im done talking about this b/c people are more caught up with his bitterness than his accompliashments. He is a Vol and was not treated like one when he was let go.
 
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