Better Head Coach

Who's the better head coach?

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#26
#26
Originally posted by brg72@Oct 6, 2005 3:09 PM
Thank you Johnny that is all i have to say and every Vol fan should say the same. Im done talking about this b/c people are more caught up with his bitterness than his accompliashments. He is a Vol and was not treated like one when he was let go.
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Regardless of treatment, coaching is a cuthroat profession. Coaches are dismissed all the time all over the country.

I personally think UT owes Majors a degree of respect for what he did, and Majors would get his due if he would forgive, forget, collect his pension and act like a man.

What fans and CPF need to keep in mind is this. If Majors can be dissmissed so flippantly, then it can happen to ANYONE.
 
#27
#27
Thank you lex. I cant agree with you more and hopefully Majors can let it go as well like Laundry was able to do when he was honered at Texas Stadium. I think he can put closure behind this he his named is announced over the intercom and gets that standing ovation.
 
#28
#28
Majors is the father of the modern era at UT football, and I question whether CPF could have built this program from the ground up like Majors,
 
#29
#29
Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 6, 2005 3:12 PM
Regardless of treatment, coaching is a cuthroat profession.  Coaches are dismissed all the time all over the country.

I personally think UT owes Majors a degree of respect for what he did, and Majors would get his due if he would forgive, forget, collect his pension and act like a man.

What fans and CPF need to keep in mind is this.  If Majors can be dissmissed so flippantly, then it can happen to ANYONE.
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Flippantly??? He ruined what PF started in 1992. You call losing to South Carolina and Arkansas not reason to fire JM? USC was 5-6 that year. Arkansas, 3-7-1. WTF is UT doing losing to these two teams? JM doesnt want that question to be answered.

 
#30
#30
Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 6, 2005 3:30 PM
Flippantly???  He ruined what PF started in 1992.  You call losing to South Carolina and Arkansas not reason to fire JM?  USC was 5-6 that year.  Arkansas, 3-7-1.  WTF is UT doing losing to these two teams?  JM doesnt want that question to be answered.
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We both know why JM was fired, but the circumstances do lend themselves to speculation. I do not disagree with the fact that he had to go, but it happened in a very abrupt, suprising way. It can happen to any coach at anytime.
 
#31
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 6, 2005 3:34 PM
We both know why JM was fired, but the circumstances do lend themselves to speculation.  I do not disagree with the fact that he had to go, but it happened in a very abrupt, suprising way.  It can happen to any coach at anytime.
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I agree. But PF would have to lose to Memphis, Vandy and UK to be fired from UT under the same circumstances LM was.
 
#32
#32
Majors was a great hire and I'll always have great memories....but Fulmer is doing things now that Johnny wouldn't be able to do...also a Nat'l Championship isn't too bad...
 
#33
#33
Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 6, 2005 3:38 PM
I agree.  But PF would have to lose to Memphis, Vandy and UK to be fired from UT under the same circumstances LM was.
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I truly think that you wouldn't have to fire CPF if he lost those games. I really believe he would be proud enough to resign. I give RS a lot of heat, but I do think they are proud competitive men that care about this program.
 
#34
#34
Majors was a great hire and I'll always have great memories....but Fulmer is doing things now that Johnny wouldn't be able to do

Tell that to Tony Dorsett who won the Heisman and National Championship under him.
 
#35
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 6, 2005 3:41 PM
I truly think that you wouldn't have to fire CPF if he lost those games.  I really believe he would be proud enough to resign.  I give RS a lot of heat, but I do think they are proud competitive men that care about this program.
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Amen :bow:
 
#36
#36
Originally posted by brg72@Oct 6, 2005 3:49 PM
Majors was a great hire and I'll always have great memories....but Fulmer is doing things now that Johnny wouldn't be able to do

Tell that to Tony Dorsett who won the Heisman and National Championship under him.
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Maybe JM won the MNC BECAUSE of Tony Dorsett.

Now, just what is PF doing that JM wouldnt be able to?
 
#37
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Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 6, 2005 2:55 PM
Maybe JM won the MNC BECAUSE of Tony Dorsett.

Now, just what is PF doing that JM wouldnt be able to?
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winning 80% of his games for one, owning Bama for another, winning a NC without a hiesman trophy winner
 
#39
#39
"winning a NC without a hiesman trophy winner "
geez i guess phil has the advantage there. Damn Majors really sucks.

Phil would not have a won 80 percent of his games if he took over the program in 1977. He inherited a good team that was built from scratch by Johnny. Phil has never had to turn around 3 programs and turned them into winners. Phil is a great coach and will be remembered for the 1998 team and consistent winning. As will Johnny for his 1976 team in Pitt. He should also be recognized as the reson for bring Football Time to tennessee. He left Pitt the datefer his NC to take over losing program at his alma mater. He gave up a top 5 team for his passion of Tennessee. All you can say he couldnt coach today. Total lack of respect.
 
#40
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Fulmer. He has more talent than JM had but he is not as negative in his pre game preparation in big games.aka Bama. Majors was more sound in his football philosophy though. Kicking game, tackleing and play calling.
 
#41
#41
Originally posted by brg72@Oct 6, 2005 3:31 PM
"winning a NC without a hiesman trophy winner "
geez i guess phil has the advantage there.  Damn Majors really sucks. 

Phil would not have a won 80 percent of his games if he took over the program in 1977.  He inherited a good team that was built from scratch by Johnny.  Phil has never had to turn around 3 programs and turned them into winners. Phil is a great coach and will be remembered for the 1998 team and consistent winning.  As will Johnny for his 1976 team in Pitt.  He should also be recognized as the reson for bring Football Time to tennessee.  He left Pitt the datefer his NC to take over losing program at his alma mater. He gave up a top 5 team for his passion  of Tennessee. All you can say he couldnt coach today.  Total lack of respect.
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I have no disrespect for JM except for him being a bitter old man, and no I don't think he could coach today, sitting on a 1 point lead will not cut it anymore, hell it didn't cut it back then. Do you deny that Bama owned Johnny majors? Do you deny that CPF has the best winning record of all NCAA coaches, Johnny went back to Pitt but he couldn't turn the program around the second time, and the team that Johnny built was on Phil's back, he did not turn into a great recruiter thge day Johnny left, he was there with Johnny remember?
 
#42
#42
post note: yes Johnny was a good coach and yes Johnny was good for UT football, yes the Administration handled the whole situation wrong, but so did Johnny all Phil did was take the job that would have been his if Johnny had retired.
 
#43
#43
Originally posted by donsargegolf@Oct 6, 2005 6:20 PM
Fulmer. He has more talent than JM
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True, but Fulmer is the one who brings the talent in.
 
#44
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Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Oct 6, 2005 12:55 PM
I happen to think teaching is a lot of fun. It's no wonder REAL teachers get a bum rap with jocks taking teaching positions because they don't want to recruit. Anybody who goes into a classroom with less than 100%desire to be there and to do a good job is STEALING every time they cash their paycheck. If you don't want to teach, then stay out of the classroom and let a REAL teacher do it.
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Damn straight :bow:
 
#45
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 6, 2005 3:41 PM
I truly think that you wouldn't have to fire CPF if he lost those games.  I really believe he would be proud enough to resign.  I give RS a lot of heat, but I do think they are proud competitive men that care about this program.
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Fulmer has done well enough in his tenure that he shouldn't have to consider resigning if he has an off season. Why the heck would he do something like that? This guy will be around until he retires and I'll back him until that time. Majors had several seasons in which he had very marginal seasons. If it weren't for his issues with Dickey, he'd probably still be around. Bottom line is Phil ain't going anywhere any time soon even with a poor season.
 
#46
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Originally posted by BHAMVOLFAN@Oct 7, 2005 9:38 AM
Fulmer has done well enough in his tenure that he shouldn't have to consider resigning if he has an off season.  Why the heck would he do something like that?  This guy will be around until he retires and I'll back him until that time.  Majors had several seasons in which he had very marginal seasons. If it weren't for his issues with Dickey, he'd probably still be around.  Bottom line is Phil ain't going anywhere any time soon even with a poor season.
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I have stated in the past I did not agree with how the Majors situation was handled and I do admit there was fault on both sides. Getting back to the original thread I would have to go with Fulmer. Which brings me to this question. Could Fulmer suceed at another program? I just think he is a perfect fit for UT and UT is a perfect fit for him. Although I don't always agree with his "phil"osopy I don't think UT could find better!
 
#47
#47
43-5 on the vote.

Boy, if that old folks home in Pittsburgh hadn't just added internet access, it would be 43-0.
 
#48
#48
A high percentage of posters on here are really to young to remember
the jm day's. phil has done a good job but but there was just somthing
differant in the air back then. the fans were louder, the coaches were
better and they got alot more out of less tallent than phil has right now.

dose any know how many coaches that coached under jm are head coaches or coachingin the nfl right now i think when you find out and compare with pf. you will get your answer to alot of your questions.

 
#50
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Originally posted by statman@Oct 7, 2005 10:54 AM
A high percentage of posters on here are really to young to remember
the jm day's. phil has done a good job but but there was just somthing
differant in the air back then. the fans were louder, the coaches were
better and they got alot more out of less tallent than phil has right now.

dose any know how many coaches that coached under jm are head coaches or coachingin the nfl right now i think when you find out and compare with pf. you will get your answer to alot of your questions.
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Oh I do remember the JM era. All the way back to watching the pregame speculation, before the 1977 Sugar Bowl, on whether PITT coach Johnny Majors would leave Pitt and go back to Knoxville.

Thats why I am sooo glad to have CPF.

But even I will admit, things seem a little stale since 2001.
 
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