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WorldNetDaily: 'Gay'-rights bill lets court define church's 'purpose'

I think this is crazy. I have argued with people on here about the government not legislating morality yet here is a bill that would force churches to hire homosexuals.

I have also stated before that no other religion is attacked like Christianity. Why have Christian churches been targeted? This is the most close minded thing I've seen in a while from people who claim to be open minded.

I just can't figure out why people feel homosexuals deserve all these rights.

How does it make sense to force children to learn about how moral homosexuality is yet they aren't allowed to speak the name of Jesus? So the governmant can force kids to listen about homosexuality, yet those same people say we can't even have the 10 commandments. It is a double standard!
 
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I've seen a gay person before, Jesus....not so much..
 
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I would actually like to read the bill itself since many activist groups typically have preconceived notions and bias loaded in their assessment. if anything in politics, go read the source first before taking an activist's word for it.
 
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JZVOL said:
WorldNetDaily: 'Gay'-rights bill lets court define church's 'purpose'

I think this is crazy. I have argued with people on here about the government not legislating morality yet here is a bill that would force churches to hire homosexuals.

I have also stated before that no other religion is attacked like Christianity. Why have Christian churches been targeted? This is the most close minded thing I've seen in a while from people who claim to be open minded.

I just can't figure out why people feel homosexuals deserve all these rights.

How does it make sense to force children to learn about how moral homosexuality is yet they aren't allowed to speak the name of Jesus? So the governmant can force kids to listen about homosexuality, yet those same people say we can't even have the 10 commandments. It is a double standard!
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I would have to say that by providing churches with 'tax exempt status' the government has plenty of control in that situation.

Now, in my own opinion, I don't think that any institution, corporate, religious, etc., should have to hire anyone that they do not wish to hire...for any reason they so deem. However, the 'Christian Churches' this affects should have probably read a little bit of Paul's letters before declaring this an outrage against Christians and Christ followers. After all, Paul state, very clearly, that men of God should be "eunuchs for Christ." So, by hiring any sexually active preacher they are, in essence, turning against God's will. Therefore, it should not matter whether or not these preachers are hetero-sexually active or homo-sexually active.
 
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therealUT said:
I would have to say that by providing churches with 'tax exempt status' the government has plenty of control in that situation.

Now, in my own opinion, I don't think that any institution, corporate, religious, etc., should have to hire anyone that they do not wish to hire...for any reason they so deem. However, the 'Christian Churches' this affects should have probably read a little bit of Paul's letters before declaring this an outrage against Christians and Christ followers. After all, Paul state, very clearly, that men of God should be "eunichs for Christ." So, by hiring any sexually active preacher they are, in essence, turning against God's will. Therefore, it should not matter whether or not these preachers are hetero-sexually active or homo-sexually active.
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No, Paul said that being married should not interfere with doing God's work.

The Bible also states that if people don't turn from their immoral acts (homosexuality, prostitution, sexual immorality, etc.) then they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
 
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sea of orange said:
No, Paul said that being married should not interfere with doing God's work.

The Bible also states that if people don't turn from their immoral acts (homosexuality, prostitution, sexual immorality, etc.) then they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
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You should probably read the non-Protestant-ized version of the Bible. You know, the original. Then let me know what Paul said.

As for your second paragraph: and...?
 
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therealUT said:
You should probably read the non-Protestant-ized version of the Bible. You know, the original. Then let me know what Paul said.

As for your second paragraph: and...?
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So you are saying that the newer version of the Bible is wrong?

Did you not say that it didn't matter whether or not preachers were gay?
 
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Yes. I am clearly stating the the NKJV, and the KJV, are clearly contorted to support the British movement away from the Catholic Church, as the other Protestant versions are also contorted to support their breach of faith with Christendom.

Also, it does not matter whether or not preachers are hetero or homo, as long as they refrain from sexual activity.
 
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sea of orange said:
No, Paul said that being married should not interfere with doing God's work.
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Could you find that exact scripture passage for me? This is the first thing I came across, just in quick reference, about 'pre-occupation' and 'marriage' from Paul.

An unmarried man is preoccupied with the affairs of God, and with pleasing God; but a married man is preoccupied with the affairs of the world, and with pleasing his wife.

I Cor 7:32-33
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therealUT said:
Yes. I am clearly stating the the NKJV, and the KJV, are clearly contorted to support the British movement away from the Catholic Church, as the other Protestant versions are also contorted to support their breach of faith with Christendom.

Also, it does not matter whether or not preachers are hetero or homo, as long as they refrain from sexual activity.
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That doesn't seem correct to me. Sex outside of marriage is a sin. Sex in the confines of marriage is not. The Bible states homosexuality is a perversion and a sin. I highly doubt it wouldn't matter having a non-married gay man as your pastor. If the God of the Bible destroyed a city because of homosexuality, among other things, I highly doubt it wouldn't matter wether the pastor was gay or not.
 
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JZVOL said:
That doesn't seem correct to me. Sex outside of marriage is a sin. Sex in the confines of marriage is not. The Bible states homosexuality is a perversion and a sin. I highly doubt it wouldn't matter having a non-married gay man as your pastor. If the God of the Bible destroyed a city because of homosexuality, among other things, I highly doubt it wouldn't matter wether the pastor was gay or not.
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Paul clearly states that sex, within or without the confines of marriage, is immoral. It is just better to have it within the confines of marriage. I believe you will find that in First Corinthians...chapter 6 or 7 (?)

Oh, and you will find the same in the KJV and the NKJV. At least the Queen got that part correct.
 
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I would also like to add, that if someone is of the homosexual persuasion yet abstains from sex, they are more morally pure, from a Biblical standpoint, than a married heterosexual man.
 
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therealUT said:
I would also like to add, that if someone is of the homosexual persuasion yet abstains from sex, they are more morally pure, from a Biblical standpoint, than a married heterosexual man.
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How can you be homosexual if you don't act on it?
 
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therealUT said:
Paul clearly states that sex, within or without the confines of marriage, is immoral. It is just better to have it within the confines of marriage. I believe you will find that in First Corinthians...chapter 6 or 7 (?)
Oh, and you will find the same in the KJV and the NKJV. At least the Queen got that part correct.
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I'm at work and don't have my Bible in frony of me. however it is the passage I am thinking of I believe he states it is not wrong or a sin to be married if you can't control your desires but better to remain married to Christ if you can. I am paraphrasing big time so don't quote me on that.

I know some scripture but am no Biblical historian but here is a question. Are you saying it is a sin for just pastors to be married, deacons or elders, or all christians? Because Ephesians spends much time talking about wives and husbands roles but never metions a married priest as being a sinner.
 
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JZVOL said:
I'm at work and don't have my Bible in frony of me. however it is the passage I am thinking of I believe he states it is not wrong or a sin to be married if you can't control your desires but better to remain married to Christ if you can. I am paraphrasing big time so don't quote me on that.

I know some scripture but am no Biblical historian but here is a question. Are you saying it is a sin for just pastors to be married, deacons or elders, or all christians? Because Ephesians spends much time talking about wives and husbands roles but never metions a married priest as being a sinner.
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I am saying that there is inherently something askew with a Christian preacher (especially one who espouses a literal interpretation of the Bible) who is married.
 
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therealUT said:
A man who is attracted to other men, is most likely a homosexual. I doubt he has to have sex with another man to figure that one out.
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I have many desires of the flesh that I do not act on. I am aware of the Bible saying a thought is as bad as an action (again paraphrasing). That being said I've lusted after married women over the span of my life but would not consider myself an adulterer. I'm also aware of the Bible talking about people being given over to their sinful desires because of their wickedness. Therefore if I don't consider myself an adulterer how can I consider a man who has had thoughts about another as gay if he doesn't act on the desire? I do not believe lusting after a male or female is better or worse but the same and at any time I can repent of my sin and turn from it (gay or straight).
 
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therealUT said:
I am saying that there is inherently something askew with a Christian preacher (especially one who espouses a literal interpretation of the Bible) who is married.
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If you are correct then why have I never heard this mentioned by any Christian, ever?

My grandfather is a married preacher and a very moral man. I would have a tough time putting him on par with a gay preacher. I've grown up in church and studied the Bible with very men that were preachers and were not preachers. None of the non-preachers or preachers have ever mentioed anything like this. I'm wondering how all of these moral men missed this truth you claim? (I hope that doesn't sound like i'm trying to be a smart a- because I'm not)
 
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therealUT said:
Paul clearly states that sex, within or without the confines of marriage, is immoral. It is just better to have it within the confines of marriage. I believe you will find that in First Corinthians...chapter 6 or 7 (?)

Oh, and you will find the same in the KJV and the NKJV. At least the Queen got that part correct.
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Sex is not immoral, sexual immorality is immoral.

36If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. 37But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.
1 Corinthians 7:36-38
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therealUT said:
You should probably read the non-Protestant-ized version of the Bible. You know, the original. Then let me know what Paul said.

As for your second paragraph: and...?
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You can't claim that any version of the Bible is the original.
 
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kptvol said:
You can't claim that any version of the Bible is the original.
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I can. The Vulgate, written by Jerome is the original Bible.

Sorry, written is probably the wrong word. Transribed and compiled into one volume, by Jerome.
 
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