Biden Health Care Plan...interesting bullet point.

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ACA. sold as the wonder bill that was going to fix healthcare. Yet all it did was raise prices.

Most government "fixes" arent the fixes they are sold to be. Look at Covid, best thing the government did was get out of the way.
I understand you better now. thanks.

There should be a large amount of skepticism with this part of his plan. But unlike ACA and much like covid, this is government ostensibly getting out of the way.
 
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My concern is future R&D and access to new medications. Without boat loads of money to be made how much will R&D and manufacture of high production cost drugs be curtailed ?
Not too much, I suspect. Pharmas will reallocate money from advertising, payroll, etc just like every other company does. If the drug is potentially profitable, they will pursue R&D.
 
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I know other countries get it cheaper at price-per-unit. Comparing it to universal systems, if they all pay the same price in taxes for health care coverage then the cost is built in. Here, we pay our premiums, deductibles, out-of-pocket costs and then if you require insulin that is another huge out-of-pocket expense not built into the price of healthcare coverage. Not to mention medications are marked up. I would have to do some research to see how much the mark-up in the US is, but marketplace exclusivity certainly allows for price gouging in this sector.
So you are suggesting the healthy should pay the same price as the sick in total healthcare costs?
How does that make sense? If you consume more, you should pay more.
 
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ACA. sold as the wonder bill that was going to fix healthcare. Yet all it did was raise prices.

Most government "fixes" arent the fixes they are sold to be. Look at Covid, best thing the government did was get out of the way.
The government did throw money at COVID via Operation Warp Speed which is about all the government can do frankly. But fortunately as you pointed out they stayed out of the way and let the researchers do what they do best other than that. I imagine the gov will get more involved in mfg and distribution now that they’re ready ... let’s just hope they don’t screw it up.
 
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The government did throw money at COVID via Operation Warp Speed which is about all the government can do frankly. But fortunately as you pointed out they stayed out of the way and let the researchers do what they do best other than that. I imagine the gov will get more involved in mfg and distribution now that they’re ready ... let’s just hope they don’t screw it up.
The government providing some funding is fine. Especially if they are acting as a "buyer" to private companies. But once they start choosing winners and losers is when there are issues.
 
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The government did throw money at COVID via Operation Warp Speed which is about all the government can do frankly. But fortunately as you pointed out they stayed out of the way and let the researchers do what they do best other than that. I imagine the gov will get more involved in mfg and distribution now that they’re ready ... let’s just hope they don’t screw it up.

You can bet the house they’ll screw it up. Some SJWs are already advocating the US to give a large allotment of the vaccine to 3rd world countries.
 
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The government providing some funding is fine. Especially if they are acting as a "buyer" to private companies. But once they start choosing winners and losers is when there are issues.
Don’t disagree on the last part but in this instance picking a few winners and making sure they had all the resources they needed and then get the hell out of their way is fine with me. I even saw Sanjay Gupta giving them accolades yesterday. They went from what is normally years to a handful of months from synthesizing the COVID makeup to sticking needles in trial patients arms. That isn’t a direct quote but it’s close. Hell even Jake Tapper was fawning on it.
 
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I read through the Joe's plan. Like all politicians, a lot of blaming others, platitudes, lofty goals, and not a lot of specifics. I posted a link if you wanna check it out.
Plan to Protect and Build on Obamacare | Joe Biden

This nugget posted below stuck out to me. I think this is a great idea. We can buy other drugs like liquor, cigarettes, caffeinated items from other countries. Why not prescription drugs? Some who live close the border already go out of country to buy medication. My son in law's mother did this when we were on our cruise last year. This is an idea which uses open markets and competition to empower consumers to search out the products they want at the best price they can find.
  • Allowing consumers to buy prescription drugs from other countries. To create more competition for U.S. drug corporations, Biden will allow consumers to import prescription drugs from other countries, as long as the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has certified that those drugs are safe.
Thoughts?

Maybe we can buy them from china, im sure they'll be as high quality. We know china doesnt have any political agenda to take over America.
 
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I think this idea could really be a game changer to those people with chronic condition only managed with life long meds. I've heard insulin in america is obscenely expensive compared to other countries. But I don't know if that is due to other countries subsidizing or not. Do you know?

Well when the gov takes over healthcare, they deny those treatments because of the expense. Ask england
 
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You have been able to buy mail order from India for years. I haven't read the whole thread/ reference, but nothing new here i don't think
 
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Why is ordering medicine from another country ok, but getting health insurance competition out of state a problem?
 
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You have been able to buy mail order from India for years. I haven't read the whole thread/ reference, but nothing new here i don't think
I thought a prohibition existed on ordering and receiving prescription meds from other countries?
 
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And no one has brought up that tonight if you watch 4 hours of TV you'll see multiple ads for legal assistance suing a drug company for some ailment you or a family member developed after taking a specific drug o treatment...and this doesn't include the billions that states received in the Oxy settlements. This happen in Canada or Switzerland?
 
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And no one has brought up that tonight if you watch 4 hours of TV you'll see multiple ads for legal assistance suing a drug company for some ailment you or a family member developed after taking a specific drug o treatment...and this doesn't include the billions that states received in the Oxy settlements. This happen in Canada or Switzerland?
Probably not. Because most european countries ban the advertising of lawyers.
 
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I read through the Joe's plan. Like all politicians, a lot of blaming others, platitudes, lofty goals, and not a lot of specifics. I posted a link if you wanna check it out.
Plan to Protect and Build on Obamacare | Joe Biden

This nugget posted below stuck out to me. I think this is a great idea. We can buy other drugs like liquor, cigarettes, caffeinated items from other countries. Why not prescription drugs? Some who live close the border already go out of country to buy medication. My son in law's mother did this when we were on our cruise last year. This is an idea which uses open markets and competition to empower consumers to search out the products they want at the best price they can find.
  • Allowing consumers to buy prescription drugs from other countries. To create more competition for U.S. drug corporations, Biden will allow consumers to import prescription drugs from other countries, as long as the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has certified that those drugs are safe.
Thoughts?


I already buy my drugs from mexi.......

Oh....prescription.

Sorry my bad.
 
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As soon as Trump releases his new health care plan we can compare/contrast with Biden's. Can't wait!!
 

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