Big-12 Expansion

#26
#26
bamawriter said:
The Big XII announced that they will not split into divisions, but will stage a championship game between the top 2 teams after the regular season round robin.

This means that the conference title game will always be a rematch. It also means that the slim chance the Big XII had to ever get two teams into the playoff is now completely gone.
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What's even more ridiculous is the fact you have certain teams that might play head to head two weeks in a row. OU and OSU for example play Bedlam as the final game of the season. And then turn around and play again a week later at a neutral site.

Or Baylor and WVU this year would be another good example. Both undefeated (right now) and are playing the season finale against each other.
 
#27
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LouderVol said:
sounds like the AD of a school saying that he has complete confidence in his coach. and we all know how that turns out
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A little less ridiculous than the BCS championship between BAMA and LSU. They should have put Ok State or Oregon instead of Bama.
 
#28
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
A little less ridiculous than the BCS championship between BAMA and LSU. They should have put Ok State or Oregon instead of Bama.
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So, instead of a one-loss Bama team who lost to LSU by a field goal in OT, they should have selected a two-loss Oregon team who lost to LSU by two TDs?

Makes sense.
 
#31
#31
I guess in retrospect, we should thank that game for being the death knell for the BCS. There was a lot of crazy things that went on that season...argument could have been made for Stanford as well...Their only regular season loss was to the eventual conference champion (Oregon).
 
#32
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bamawriter said:
The one that lost to a 6-7 team that wouldn't have gone to a bowl otherwise?
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And the one that was a conference champion at 11-1?

Let's not act like the human polls didn't catapult Bama into that championship. The computer ratings had OSU as a clear #2 over Bama.

It was bull**** and you know it.
 
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#33
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bamawriter said:
The one that lost to a 6-7 team that wouldn't have gone to a bowl otherwise?
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Coming the day after their campus was rocked with the plane crash and death of the OSU women's basketball coach? I mean, come on, these are emotionless robots after all...
 
#34
#34
I think the new big 12 championship is a good idea. The two best teams instead of two division winners. All conferences should do it that way if they insist on playing that extra game.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And the one that was a conference champion at 11-1?

Let's not act like the human polls didn't catapult Bama into that championship. The computer ratings had OSU as a clear #2 over Bama.

It was bull**** and you know it.
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The computer systems sucked. There is a reason they were reduced in the BCS formula after they screwed up a couple of championships.
 
#36
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If it were me, I'd expand to six...if you win a Power 5 championship you are in..plus the top rated team that wasn't a champion...two top teams get byes
 
#38
#38
Rocky_Top_Vol13 said:
It seems to me that the university of Texas is a cancer to any conference its in. It was a big reason the Southwest conference failed and it seems to be doing the same thing to the Big 12. Why would any conference want to add Texas, with their "me first" attitude is beyond me.
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They are the reason A&M and Mizzou are in the SEC now. Just another reason to hate Mexas.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
I think the new big 12 championship is a good idea. The two best teams instead of two division winners. All conferences should do it that way if they insist on playing that extra game.
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It only really works here because of the round robin setup the Big 12 schedule has. It's one thing when everyone plays everyone in a given year...but doing such raises completely different issues when you've got a conference with more than 10 players.
 
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VolnJC said:
If it were me, I'd expand to six...if you win a Power 5 championship you are in..plus the top rated team that wasn't a champion...two top teams get byes
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Byes are kind of pointless in a setup when the teams all have a month off between their last game and their bowl/playoff game.

It makes sense in the NFL when those teams go straight into the playoffs as soon as the regular season ends...but that's not the case here.
 
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#41
6-7 years ago did'nt Oklahoma back out on a chance to come to the SEC with Texas because the SEC didn't want OK state? Do over Oklahoma would jump I'd bet, maybe not Texas.
 
#42
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dan4vols said:
6-7 years ago did'nt Oklahoma back out on a chance to come to the SEC with Texas because the SEC didn't want OK state? Do over Oklahoma would jump I'd bet, maybe not Texas.
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No, I think you might be confusing it a bit? The SEC talked to OU in 2010 when it looked like the Big 12 might fall apart when Nebraska and Colorado were leaving but they had no interest in joining the conference (unlike A&M, who the next year became on board with the idea).

You might also be mixing that up with what happened around 1990-1991, where the SEC talked to Texas about joining the SEC when it looked like the Southwest Confefence was going to dissolve and the SEC was trying to expand to 12 members. The story's Texas refused unless A&M was also invited, which the SEC wasn't going to do at the time.


But also not likely, unlike Texas and Texas A&M, Oklahoma actually wants to take Oklahoma State with it wherever it goes, and OU has also shown that its interests are more towards the West if anything.
 
#43
#43
They should have added BYU and Houston and called it day.

BYU brings a different style of play to the conference. And their own unique culture. BYU has better brand than a, Kansas, Texas Tech. Plus THEIR rivalry with Utah would have enhanced the Big 12/ Pac 12 ...(word escapes me)

Houston would have strengthened the region of Houston market. It's a huge transplant city. Everybody in Houston is not from Houston.

So silly not to expand.

They've allowed
Nebraska
Mizzou
Colorado
Texas AM
to leave.

Dumb.
 
#44
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LittleVol said:
They should have added BYU and Houston and called it day.

BYU brings a different style of play to the conference. And their own unique culture. BYU has better brand than a, Kansas, Texas Tech. Plus THEIR rivalry with Utah would have enhanced the Big 12/ Pac 12 ...(word escapes me)

Houston would have strengthened the region of Houston market. It's a huge transplant city. Everybody in Houston is not from Houston.

So silly not to expand.

They've allowed
Nebraska
Mizzou
Colorado
Texas AM
to leave.

Dumb.
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The refusal to play on Sundays hurts BYU
BYU ready to join Power 5 conference but won't play Sundays
 
#49
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Grand Vol said:
That's a scheduling problem that's fairly easy to overcome.

The only time that might be a problem is during playoff type situations (other than football) and I'm sure BYU would give up a little in that regard.
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baseball and softball would definitely be affected..they would have to start on Thursday or play DHers.
 
#50
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VolnJC said:
baseball and softball would definitely be affected..they would have to start on Thursday or play DHers.
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Let's just face facts, the Big 12 is a dying conference. Ten years ago, maybe even as recent as five, Texas had all the power and made the decisions in that conference. And it ate at some members enough to leave. The power recently seems to have shifted to Oklahoma and it's same-same.

But the problem lies in the fact the two biggest names will continue running the conference and in reality none of the other teams have as much to offer another P5 conference as a total package in athletics. Baylor is about it and they are toxic right now. Maybe WVU, TCU and OSU, but even that's a stretch outside of football.

Personally, I'd like to see OSU and WVU move to the SEC. Really don't want Texas or OU.
 
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